Henry VIII: November 1541, 1-10

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 16, 1540-1541. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1898.

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November 1541, 1–10

1 Nov. 1309. The King's Progress.
Add. MS.
6,113, f. 179.
B. M.
Account of the King's progress to York in the summer of 33 Hen. VIII., 1541, till his return to Hampton Court at All Hallowtide.
As in Hall's Chronicle.
1 Nov. 1310. The Privy Council.
P.C.P., vii.
[No entry of 31 Oct.]
Meeting at Hampton Court, 1 Nov. Present: Chancellor, abp. of Canterbury, Southampton, Gt. Chamb., Hertford, Gt. Admiral, Winchester, Comptroller, Mr. of Horse, Vice-Chamb., Wriothesley, Sadler. Business:—A “general repetition,” made by the lord Privy Seal, of all that passed in the Council attending the King during the progress, and in what terms all things now stand. Case of Quarendon, between the King and Sir Ant. Lee, declared by the lord Chancellor. Information given by John Lissle, of Leystofte, against Thos. Booking and others (named), for conveying out corn. Letter from the Emperor's ambassador in favour of certain Flemings prosecuted for retaining strangers, with a supplication of the said Flemings to the King. Letter from the king of Scots touching murders and burnings in the English marches. Certain books of Guernsey read. A Scottishman (in margin, John Dowglas) taken as a vagabond, who confessed he fled from Scotland for a murder, had passport to avoid the realm within 20 days.
1 Nov. 1311. Wallop to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., viii.
On the 29th, Mr. Vaughan, the King's captain here, reported that two men of Arde had come for fresh water fish for Mons. de Vandosme and desired licence for the same. At the same time a spy came to report that Mons. de Vandosme, Mons. de Beez, and other great men, were come to Arde. Decided that better watch should be kept and some weak places (specified) strengthened, and were seeing to this when a gentleman came from M. de Beez with credence to declare that Mons. de Vandosme, Mons. de Kerkey, Mons. de Beez and Mons. de Cany were come to Arde, and that the two last desired to speak with Wallop and would, if welcome, come next day to dinner, bringing each a page with him. Decided, after consulting Mr. Rous and Mr. Vaughan, not to refuse, because, 1st, it was doubtful what conjectures might be formed thereupon and no evil could happen from their coming as the castle now stands; 2nd, considering how gently the King's captains had been used at Arde (as, lately, Mr. Mershall and Mr. Carowe) and how the bailiff of Guisnes was used at Turwan, as Wallop lately wrote to Mr. Wriothesley; and, 3rd, fearing how the King would take it if he refused. Answered therefore that they should be welcome, and, as for bringing each a page, they might bring as many gentlemen with them as they thought good, adding, “Comment! Sy je refusseroye Mons. de Beez et Mons. de Cany de venir icy le Roy me chasseroit hors de son chasteau.” Such holy water the French often give.
Next morning before 10 o'clock they arrived, with eight gentlemen. Details conversation before dinner with Mons. de Cany, who informed Wallop that a marriage was in train between his master, the duke of Orleans, and the King's daughter, that his master desired Wallop's furtherance in it, and that the Duke would have gone to England before this, but was advised by their ambassador, who had set forth the matter, to await the coming to Court of the duke of Norfolk, who was expected to promote it. De Cany said he spoke by the duke of Orleans' request and that the French king knew nothing of his coming. He asked whether the King's daughter could speak French, and Wallop said she spoke not only French, but also Spanish and Latin. At dinner they talked (conversation described) of the great fortifications the King had made in the last three years, of the French buildings at Fontainebleau, of the Admiral's return to favour, the Constable's absence from Court, and of the master of Sanyngfeld's being in England. Hearing the name mentioned, Mons. de Beez said “Monsieur de Sanyngfeld, n'est il pas anchore returne? le poovre home avoite graunde peaure pour y aller,” adding that he, De Beez, had advised him to go and that he was a good man and, having his living partly on French, English, and Flemish ground, relieved many poor folk. Wallop said the house and demesnes were all on English ground. “Not at all,” quod he, “for part is upon the King my master's ground, as also part of the woods.”
On the way homeward, De Beez said of the new ditch, “Dyable, que fosses sont cella que vous faictez.” Wallop asked him to guess what they were for, and he said “To convey the water out of the ground.” “Well then,” quod I, “if the water be conveyed out, is the ground stronger or weaker than it was before.” “Marry!” quod he, “it must needs be weaker.” “Then thereby you may well perceive,” quod I, “how much the King's Majesty trusteth unto your amity in making his ground, that was before so strong, weak, intending to live quietly by you.” He took that answer very well and reckoned that the ground would in time prove worth 10,000 crs. a year. Mons. de Cany coming to embrace Wallop reminded him of their conversation. Writes the rest that he gathered from the said gentlemen to Mr. Wriothesley. Guisnes, 1 Nov. Signed.
5. Add.
2 Nov. 1312. The Privy Council.
P.C.P., vii.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 2 Nov. Present: Chancellor, Abp. of Canterbury, Southampton, Gt. Chamb., Hertford, Gt. Admiral, Winchester, Comptroller, Mr. of Horse, Vice-Chamb., Wriothesley, Sadler. Business:—Strayghtley, the elder, who was sent for by letter, appeared. Decree made to stay an information in the Exchequer against certain Flemings, for retaining strangers. Privy seals sent out for appearance of persons charged with conveying corn, viz., one to John Barthilmew, father and son, of Salthows, Norf., one to Thos. Bocking, of Clay, Norf., one to Thos. Towley, of Burston, Suff., and one to — (blank) Hoddes, of Leistoft, Suff.
3 Nov. 1313. College of Burton-upon-Trent.
See Grants in November, No. 2.
3 Nov. 1314. Hatfield Chace, Yorkshire.
Harl. MS.
442, f. 175.
B. M.
Proclamation (under the statute of 31 Hen. VIII., that the King may set forth his proclamations with penalties attached) ordaining that, to enlarge the King's chace of Hatfield, Yorks., in which his game of red deer is well replenished, the manor of Armethorpe, Yorks., parcel of the late monastery of Roche, and the manor of Crowyll, Linc., parcel of Selby priory, shall be joined to it from Christmas next coming. Westm., 3 Nov. 33 Henry VIII.
Later copy, pp. 4.
3 Nov. 1315. The Privy Council.
P.C.P., vii.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 3 Nov. Present: Hertford, Winchester, Comptroller, Sadler. Business: Opinions of Sir Robt. Southwell and Sir John Baker touching — (blank) read. Strayghtley examined touching John Grevell, and, not satisfying the Council, committed for further examination to the clerk of the Council.
4 Nov. 1316. The Privy Council.
P.C.P., vii.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 4 Nov. Present: Gt. Chamb., Hertford, Winchester, Gt. Admiral, Comptroller, Mr. of Horse, Sadler. Business:— Books of matters of Ireland, sent from the lord Deputy and Council, were declared. Proclamation stamped for avoiding vagabonds from Court. Strayghtley's examination by the clerk of the Council presented.
4 Nov. 1317. About Katharine Howard.
R. O. Examination of Roger Cotes, headed Westm., 4 Nov., 33 Hen. VIII.
He confesses making the hose. The old duchess of Norfolk, six years past, gave him 100l.; which he put “in stock” to Thos. Michell, of Sussex, and had 10l. a year for it, till he came to service, when he spent 60l. of it to furnish himself and has now but 6l. or 7l. left. Never received entertainment of anyone, except 10l. “before the progress of his mistress.” Grants that he said that if she were advanced he expected a good living, but denies ever saying he was in such favour that he might have married her.
In Wriothesley's hand, p. 1. Endd.: Roger Cotes' confession.
4 Nov. 1318. D. Francisco Manrique to Charles V.
Add. MS.
28,593, f. 38.
B. M.
On his interview with Francis I. at Lyons. Francis promised to answer the Pope about Grandvelle so as to give no cause for complaints. The abp. of Valencia was not to be considered his prisoner and Francis knows nothing of any others; those at Avignon were not in his dominions, Thinks the Pope has done all he could about the abp. of Valencia. He is detained at Semur on the Soc in Burgundy. Disarmament on the frontiers. Francis is now very poor and glad to prolong the truce. The French queen, who had been very ill, is doing well. The writer met her near Bourg en Bresse. A brother of Cesare Fragoso hoped that he was still alive when the writer was at Lyons, but news came just before he left that his body had been found stabbed by poniards. The Turk intends wintering in Hungary and keeping hold of Buda. Representations about couriers stopped, &c. Madrid, 4 Nov. 1541.
Modern copy from Simancas, pp. 14, See Spanish Calendar VI. i., No. 202.
5 Nov. 1319. The Privy Council.
P.C.P., vii.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 5 Nov. Present: Abp. of Cant., Chancellor, Gt. Chamb., Hertford, Winchester, Gt. Admiral, Comptroller, Mr. of Horse, Wriothesley, Sadler. No business recorded.
[*** There is no record of the days from 6 to 12 Nov.]
5 Nov. 1320. About Katharine Howard.
R. O. Confession of Mary Halle alias Lassels, “taken by me W. earl of Southampton,” 5 Nov. 33 Hen. VIII.
Three or four years past, she was nurse to my lord William's child by lady Rossel's daughter, and was afterwards some time in Lord William's house at Lambeth, but mostly in my lady of Norfolk's house. Was after that in service with my old lady of Norfolk as a chamberer. Describes misconduct, which took place while she was nurse, between Mrs. Katharine Howard and Henry Monoxe, a player of the virginals, and how she remonstrated with Monoxe. Mrs. Isabel, now married to the sword-bearer of York, and Dorothy Barweke, who was put to my Lady's service by Mrs. Barweke, of Horssam, carried tokens between Mrs. Katharine and Monoxe.
Examined what she knows “by” Deram, describes how my old lady of Norfolk used to have the keys of the gentlewomen's chamber brought into her own chamber at night, how Mrs. Katharine would come in and steal the keys, and how one Mrs. Alice Welkes (in margin in another hand, Alice Wilkes alias Restwold) related to her Mrs. Katharine's doings with Deram. Deponent said to Alice Welkes, “Let her alone, for [an] she hold on as she begins we shall hear she will be nought within a while.” Knows not where Welkes dwells, but lord William put her to service. Never told my lady of Norfolk, lord William or his wife or anyone except her brother. The old porter [John] Walsheman, John Baynet, and Richa[rd] Faver, grooms of the chamber, and Margery, my lady's chamberer, can tell much.
In Southampton's own hand, pp. 6. With original foliation, ff. 54–57.
5 Nov. 1321. About Katharine Howard.
R. O. Examination of Henry Manox, at Lambeth, 5 Nov. 33 Hen. VIII., before Thomas abp. of Canterbury and Sir Thomas Wriothesley, as to any displeasure between him and one Deram, now servant to the Queen. When he came to the old duchess of Norfolk's service, five years past, he and one Barnes were appointed to teach the Queen, then Mrs. Katharine Howard, to play the virginals. He fell in love with her and she with him, but the Duchess found them alone together one day and gave Mrs. Katharine two or three blows, and charged them never to be alone together after. Then Deram, who was the Duchess's kinsman, and also loved Mrs. Katharine, and Edw. Walgrave, who loved a maiden named Baskervile, used to haunt her chamber rightly and banquet there until 2 or 3 a.m.; so Deponent and Barnes wrote an anonymous letter to the Duchess (tenor given), warning her that if she would rise half an hour after going to bed and visit the gentlewomen's chamber she would be displeased. The Duchess thereupon stormed with her women; and Mrs. Katharine afterwards stole the letter and showed it to Deram, who suspected Deponent to have written it and called him knave. Young Bulmer's wife, who was her bedfellow and also entertained by Deram, Dorothy Dawby, then chamberer with the Duchess, Kath. Tylney, now chamberer with the Queen, Edw. Walgrave, servant to my lord Prince, Mary Lasselles and Malyn Tylney, widow, can speak of the misrule between Deram and Mrs. Katharine. Describes his own familiarity with her.
In Wriothesley's hand, pp. 8. Slightly mutilated.
5 Nov. 1322. [Cardinal Tavera] to Charles V.
Add. 28,593,
f. 45.
B. M.
Report received of what passed between the Emperor and the Pope. All the stir in France was for fear of the Emperor's arms, and no sooner did they hear of his peaceful intentions than preparations for defence were suspended and all prisoners ordered to be set free except the abp. of Valence. News of the Emperor's sailing for Africa. Sorry that Alba was unable to join the expedition. Orders sent to the frontiers of Navarre and Fuenterrabia not to be too secure though there is no fear of the French moving at present. Madrid, 5 Nov. 1541.
Modern copy from Simancas, pp. 8. See Spanish Calendar, VI. i., No. 200.
6 Nov. 1323. Chapuys to the Queen of Hungary.
VI. i., No. 201.
Acknowledges her letter of the 16th ult. with copy of the treaty of commerce and account of what passed in the negotiations; which should be enough for the present if these people will listen to reason. Hearing that the French ambassador had actually bribed people to make the King and his Privy Councillors believe that the Emperor was intent on having a General Council in spite of this King and that Grantvelle had stayed behind at Rome to solicit it, in order to allay the suspicion and hear how the news was taken, sent one of his men to Court on pretence of asking redress for an injury lately done to 10 or 12 Flemings in London, but really to inform the Privy Councillors that the chief cause of Grantvelle's stay in Rome was the question concerning the truce, and whether it had been broken; and that till now Chapuys was not aware of the Privy Seal having brought before his Holiness any other subject except his raising 2,000 Italians in aid against the Turk, and his sending some legate or nuncio to Germany to induce the prelates of those parts to reform the ecclesiastical state according to the Emperor's recommendations in the last Diet. This Chapuys thought would suggest to them that there was no need of sending a legate if the Emperor solicited a Council; and by way of bonne bouche using a little of the perfumery with which the French regale them, sent them word that the Emperor, before he embarked for Africa, had sent word to Chapuys that he had ordered Grantvelle to write him all the news of Rome that he might inform the King of it. Is told that when the King heard this from Chapuys's secretary he was much pleased at the discomfiture of Fragoso and Rincon. Neither the King nor his Privy Councillors seem to approve of the application made by the French to the Pope. Another proof of the good effect of his message was that the affair of the Flemings, which he used as a pretext, was settled at once, and that not a word was said to his secretary of the affair for which the English ambassadors are still in Brussels.
The duke of Norfolk had obtained leave to go home to the country for some days, but had scarcely been there three days when one of his men died of the plague, and not daring to go to the Court at Greenwich (sic), he has come here to London, where he has spent five days with his friends. Has no doubt he has had much communication with the French ambassador. Chapuys wonders that his confidant has not come to report. London, 6 Nov. 1541.
Original, in cipher, at Vienna.
6 Nov. 1324. James V. to Cardinal Carpi.
Royal MS.,
18 b. vi. 132b.
B. M.
Thanks for his assistance in the obtaining of Melrose monastery for his son James. His agents write that the officials of the Roman Court demand annates and other expenses of expedition far in excess of what is usual. Protests at some length against this, as a pernicious example, and desires him to speak of it to the Pope if necessary. Edinburgh, 6 Nov. 1541.
Lat. Copy, p. 1.
[ Nov.] 1325. Cranmer to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P. i. 689.
C.'s Letters,
Describes his interview with the Queen, whose state it would have pitied any man's heart to see. She had continued so ever since Cranmer left her. Purposed first to exaggerate her demerits, then declare the justice of the laws, and, lastly, signify the King's mercy; but, for fear she would enter into a frenzy, was fain to begin with the last. When she broke out into any “extreme braydes,” told her there was some new fantasy come into her head and asked what it was. She said “this sudden mercy” made her offences seem more heinous. About six o'clock she fell into another “pange” which, she said, was “for the remembrance of the time, for about that time, as she said, Master Hennage was wont to bring her knowledge of your Grace.” Lacks time to write everything and leaves it to the bearer, Sir John Dudlay, to relate. Encloses all he can get touching any communication of marriage with Derame, which she thinks no contract, nor would it be so if carnal copulation had not followed. The reason Mr. Baynton sent to the King was to declare her state, and because, after Cranmer left, she began to excuse and temper the things she had said and put her hand to, for she says that what Derame did was by force. “Fro” — (blank space for date).
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.
7 Nov. 1326. Sir Wm. Eure and Others to Henry VIII.
Add. MS.
32,646, f. 259.
B. M.
No. 101.
Met at Alnwick the 4th inst. to consider the further execution of their commission to expel aliens from Northumberland. Found a great number of Scots dwelling in cottages without lands annexed, and a few with husband lands and mills. The latter are replaced by able Englishmen, but many of the cottages still remain empty, and to join them together (as devised in the Commission) will not help where there are no lands attached. A very great number of Scots still remain as servants and 'prentices, as is licensed by the Act, but the writers have persuaded with the gentlemen and headmen to replace them with Englishmen when they can. Recommend that Troylirs Tailoure, a good maker of coats of plate, and Gilbert Cokelandes, a good guide for the hither parts of Scotland, be made denizens.
Have viewed all the frontier of the East Marches, and of the Middle Marches as far as the Cokete and Harbottle Castle. Found many towers and fortresses falling to decay and the owners withdrawn further inland, whom they have commanded in the King's name to repair and inhabit them. This Monday they intend to begin at the river Cokete and survey to the west of the Middle Marches. The Scots show a good inclination to keep peace. If good order is broken it will be by the thieves of Liddisdale or the King's evil subjects of Tynedale and Riddisdale, who are knit together, and number at least 2,000 able and apt persons for war. The Scots are as much grieved with their Liddisdale men as the King's true subjects with them of Tynedale and Riddesdale, and wish the two Kings would unite to subdue these evil countries.
Their survey finished, Ellerker and Bowes intend to remain about Hexham until the end of this second month, to deter the Liddisdale thieves from incourses there. Are all to meet, 17 Nov., at Newcastle, to make their return and certificate. Alnwick, 7 Nov. Signed: Wyll'm Eure: Cuthbert Radclyff: Rauff Ellerkar: Robert Bowis: John Heron: Robert Collyngwod: John Horslie.
Pp. 6. Endd.: From Sir Rafe (sic) Evre, &c., xxxiij. Begins: Pleaseth it your most Royal Majesty.
7 Nov. 1327. Irish Bishoprics.
Vatican MS. Note that in Consistory, 7 Nov. 1541, “referente” Card. Gambara, the Pope provided to the church of Ardagh in Ireland (void by the death, extra curiam Romanam, of Roncus), Patrick Machamam, professor, of the order of Friars Minors, priest.
He provided to the church of Leighlin in Ireland (void by the death, extra curiam Romanam, of Matthew), Thomas Leuroe, priest, of Meath, with retention of his parish [church] and other things.
Lat. From a modern transcript in R. O.
10 Nov. 1328. Chapuys to the Queen of Hungary. (fn. 1)
VI. i.,
No. 204.
Wrote last Lent that this King, feigning indisposition, was 10 or 12 days without seeing his Queen, or allowing her to come in his room, during which time there was much talk of a divorce; but owing to some surmise that she was with child, or else because the means for a divorce were not arranged, the affair slept till the 5th inst., when the King went into the Council room and remained there till noon. Suddenly, after dinner, he entered his small barge and came here from Hampton Court, where the rest of the Privy Council remained sitting, to assist whom the Chancellor and Norfolk were sent for in haste the night before at midnight. After the King had left, the archbishop of Canterbury entered the Queen's chamber two or three times,—to interrogate and admonish her, as is supposed, on the part of the Council, but he did not make much out. On the evening of the 6th the Privy Councillors returned and stayed nearly all night deliberating in the King's apartments, and then the day after, night and day, at the house of the bp. of Winchester, where it was resolved to discharge most of those who were at Hampton Court with the Queen, all coffers and chests being sealed and the doors guarded. Among others who remained inside the palace was the abp. of Canterbury, who has charge of everything. Meanwhile the Queen's brother (fn. 2) was forbidden the King's Chamber, (fn. 3) and some time before a damsel of the Privy Chamber named Fenelle (fn. 4) and a gentleman named Durem, usher of the chamber to the Queen, had been sent to the Tower. The King pretends that Durem had been actually betrothed to the Queen before her marriage, which is therefore invalid. Is told that in two days' time the King will have that published, and three months hence the estates of the kingdom will be assembled—Chapuys suspects to cancel their former declaration on the nullity of the Cleves marriage. The suspicion grows stronger from the fact that it is since the bp. of Winchester's return that these rumours have been spread; “et qu'il semble ethe là guydé,” the presumption being that in Germany he may have obtained new information and persuasions about the causes for which the King was divorced from her. At least, such is the belief of the French ambassador. Indeed, only yesterday he said that the young duke of Cleves would soon be one of the most highly-connected princes in the world, and that this King's reconciliation with his sister Anne would promote other very important alliances, meaning the Princess's marriage. Yet, notwithstanding what the French ambassador says, Chapuys cannot believe this King will ever take Anne back as his wife. If he do incline that way, means ought to be found to prevent it. London, 10 Nov. 1541.
Original at Vienna.
10 Nov. 1329. Chapuys to Granvelle.
VI. i.,
No. 203.
Cannot write at length for the haste of the courier, and Granvelle must already know the late events in this country. Since his last despatch to the Emperor the French ambassador has had no letters from the King his master, nor has he spoken to this King or to Norfolk. Has caused money to be paid “to the friend in question” to keep him on the alert. London, 10 Nov. 1541.
10 Nov. 1330. Sir Thos. Wharton to Henry VIII.
Add. MS.
32,646, f. 263.
B. M.
No. 102.
Has received the King's letters, dated Fotheringaye, 18 Oct., giving him the captainship of Carlisle castle, which he has taken over, by indenture, (fn. 5) from Sir Thos. Wentworth, in friendly manner. Thanks him for the promotion. Encloses names and qualities of four of the King's servants here, as the King commanded. Forbears enterprises in Scotland, and the Scots have done no displeasure since the burning at Bewcastle. Keeps watch according to the device made last winter, books of which are distributed in the Marches. His indenture with Wentworth shows the small furniture of Carlisle castle, but Wentworth has left locked and sealed an ordnance house and also a house within the late priory which, he says, contains bows and arrows delivered to him by Leonard Skevynton. Has been at Bowcastell to take order as commanded for scouring the ditch and re-making the barmekyn, which will cost 40l. Saw there some reparations that were done, with the King's money, by lord Dacre, who, he hears, had 500l. from the King eight or nine years past, to strengthen the castles of Carlisle and Bowcastell, which has never been accounted for. At Bowcastell, six Nyksons of Liddisdale sent offering service like untrue Scots. Said he would devise articles and, if they would be bound to them, make answer. Similar suits are made by other Scottish borderers. The West Marches live in good quiet. Carlisle, 10 Nov. Signed.
3. Add. Endd.: 1541.
Ib., f. 266. 2. Names of four gentlemen, the King's servants, on the West Marches, viz.:—Sir John Lowther, of 160l. land and more, of wit and experience, “and would be under me as he hath said.” He is something moved with the gout and is meet to have a charge. Thos. Sandforthe, of 100l. land and more, of wit, soberness, and constancy. Thos. Dacre, having no living but of the King, active, intelligent, and experienced. Gilbert Wharton, of 40 mks. land, and good activity, “his age above three score years, and the more pity.” Signed: Thomas Whartton.
P. 1.


  • 1. This seems to be identical with a letter said to be addressed to the Emperor printed by Gachard in his “Analectes Historiques,” i.—iv. Séries, p. 234, along with six others on the fall of Katharine Howard, all edited from 18th century copies.
  • 2. Charles Howard. See No. 1333.
  • 3. “Et quant et quant fut defendue la chambre du Roy au frere de la dicte royne” is the text printed by Gachard. Don P. de Gayangos seems to have read “la chambre de la Royne.”
  • 4. The name is read “Cecille” by Gachard.
  • 5. See No. 1282.