Henry VIII: September 1542, 21-25

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 17, 1542. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1900.

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'Henry VIII: September 1542, 21-25', in Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 17, 1542, (London, 1900) pp. 448-463. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/letters-papers-hen8/vol17/pp448-463 [accessed 21 April 2024]


September 1542, 21-25

21 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 35.
816. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Havering, 21 Sept. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Gage, Wriothesley, Riche. No business recorded.
[*** Next entry is 23 Sept.]
21 Sept.
R. O. St. P. IX., 171.
817. The Privy Council to Paget.
The King has received his of the 7th, and seen the platt sent therewith. As it appears that the Admiral was "something moved" when he declared to Paget's man the taking of certain of their ships, whereof their ambassador and the vicomte of Depe had sent word, Paget shall take occasion to tell him that he has since written to the King to know the certainty, and is, in reply, commanded to declare that the King marvels that it should be thought he did anything against the amity, and that they set so little by that amity as to give credit to every flying tale against it. The vicomte of Depe is a party to the fault; and the ambassador has, "of a good season," seemed rather disposed to sow division than to increase amity, by giving credit to flying tales of merchants and other light persons. The truth is that only four French ships are stayed here, viz., (1) the ship that carried home the Cardinal of Scotland, which, in her return, played the ravening thief and pirate, and was captured with the nets, boats, and clothing in her of sundry poor English fishers, whom she had spoiled; (2) another was taken in the West country, manned by banished men of France, who seized upon a small isle in those parts, and were captured by the men of the country near it; (3) a third took a ship of London even in the mouth of the Thames, at the East Swale, of which the mayor and aldermen showed the papers to the ambassador; and (4) a fourth was taken by Wight, charged with robbing an Englishman of 400l., and indeed she lay in the mouth of the haven so that none "could enter but she would be doing with her." If the Admiral weigh these cases, he will marvel that they are not already used according to their demerits, and, if he minds the entertainment of the amity, ought rather to be offended with such as minister such occasion of unkindness than grieved at their punishment. Paget may add that English merchants have suffered no small loss by Frenchmen since this war began, whereof the King makes not so great exclamations, and that Flemings (who, they say, are favoured in English ports) are no more favoured than Frenchmen, but the King will suffer no depredations to be made in his ports by any nation.
The King has granted to Paget and his wife, in survivorship, the rent of the lands he farms of his Majesty, being about 24l.; for which he "may render humble thanks" in his next letters.
Draft, with corrections and the last paragraph in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 11. Endd. : Minute to Mr. Paget xxjo Septemb ao xxxiiijo.
21 Sept.
Harl. MS. 6,989 f. 95. B. M.
818. The Privy Council to [the Commissioners at York].
Are sorry to understand by their Lordships' letters the many incommodities of victual, &c., and glad to see that the same shall be, by their wisdoms, relieved.
Have done all that can be compassed here by man's foresight or money, and enclose an account of provision made here. If the execution of their purpose take not effect the let thereof shall be in the weather and not in their slackness. Trust that all the victual has departed from London this day.
Two days past the King had letters from Mr. Paget that the Dolphyn lays siege to Perpignan with only 24,000 menso few that he does not enclose half the town and cannot prevent it being succoured by sea. All within the town are men of war, 8,000 or 9,000, who pasture their bestial outside the gates during the day. The French have made battery four days in vain. Eight hundred men of the town issued out upon the ordnance and slew 500 Frenchmen with the loss of only 16 men. The French king on the 12th inst. lay 20 or 30 miles from the camp, and as the progress of the siege was not to his mind, said he would repair thither. Mr. Paget has sent a careful "plat" of Perpignan, showing the camp and where the French host made a way through the mountains on the one side of Sawces at great cost.
The Emperor is said to be preparing an army to levy the siege. M. Dorleaunce has ridden in post to the French Court. Paget's servant met him on the way. M. de Vandosme furnishes diligently the garrisons on this side. Of what M. de Rieus or those in Flanders do we hear no certainty.
From Venice the King is advertised of a long secret treason by two of the principal secretaries, who disclosed to the Turk and French king the mind of the Signory, whereby the Venetians lost Neapoli in Romania, and the other castle (fn. 1) there. Upon the disclosing of this matter some that were faulty took refuge with the French ambassador, who would have defended them, and there ensued a siege of the ambassador's house, and the traitors were taken, and the ambassador was in great obloquy and some danger. Thus writes the King's ambassador, adding how much the name of Frenchmen is abhorred there. No certainty of the Turk. Havering (where my lord (fn. 2) is in very good health), 21 Sept. Signed by Sussex, Hertford, Winchester, and Wriothesley.
In Gardiner's hand, pp. 4. Headed in a modern hand : "cxlvij. The Council to the commissioners at York."
21 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 197. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 172.
819. Commissioners at York to the Council.
Enclose letters just received from Berwick, showing that the ships with victual and munitions are not arrived. Understand that one of the ships laden with malt is perished at Hartlepool. These letters from Berwick are not worth sending, but that the posts are laid and have daily wages. York, 21 Sept., 10 a.m. Signed by Norfolk, Southampton, Durham, and Browne.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
21 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 196. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 171.
820. Norfolk to the Bishop Of Winchester and Wriothesley.
Has made his will and given it to my lord of Durham, to deliver to them if the case requires. Their common letter declares how ill the news are. If blamed for the not coming of the victual (because he appointed the purveyors for Norfolk), trusts they will defend him; for the ships were laden at Lynne and elsewhere before he left home, but such crayers could not come if the King's ships of war could not. Is in great agony of mind. Did his best, for, besides the King's provision, he sent proclamations from Sir Robt. Hussey's house for every leader of 100 men to bring 2 carts laden with drink and 10 pack horses with victual, not to be touched until we passed Newcastle. York, 21 Sept.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
21 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 199. B. M. Hamilton Papers. No. 173.
821. Southampton to Wriothesley.
Found everything so out of frame that very anger almost put him in a fever, to think that so many men should be called together and no victuals ready for them, insomuch that for these two days he could digest nothing, nor sleep in bed until this night. Begs him to show the King that here was neither cask provided, nor order taken for baking bread or grinding corn, nor any provision to furnish the army to pass Newcastle. Have all travailed to get cask, and have ordered every captain of 100 men to bring carts and victual with him. All the provision first made for the Borders is spent, and had that not been foreseen the soldiers should have died of hunger ere this. Of the second provision but 3 or 4 vessels are arrived, and Sir John Harrington, who now came thence, says that two of them, landed at Eymouth, are laden with rye so full of tares and light corn that it will make no manner of bread. Another boat is lost by the way. These things would make any man's wits dull, and but for them the journey shall be easy. York, 21 Sept. Signed.
P.S. in his own hand."Howe, Mayster Saycratore, what a trobull it is to atrew hart to se is mayster's goudes thus spent!"
Pp. 2. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
21 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 203. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 174 (1).
822. Sir Thomas Wharton to Rutland.
To-day at 2 p.m., a trusty espial reported that the lairds of Nedsedaylle and Galloway have come to Dumfries and set up their tents, and that the men he wrote of on the 17th will be at Dumfries on Sunday next. Their purpose, on the 19th, was to invade the West Marches if no other letters came from their ambassadors. All the power of Scotland beyond Edinburgh shall be in the country thereabout on the 26th, and the king of Scots shows countenance to be in the field. Will have all the beacons in the West Marches watched before Sunday night. Carlisle castle, St. Matthew's Day, 2 p.m. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : recd. xxijo Sept. ao xxxiiijo.
22 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 205. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 175.
823. Henry VIII. to the Commissioners at York.
Has received their letters of the 19th, declaring conferences with the ambassadors of Scotland, who have finally desired six days in which to write to their master for a commission to conclude the amity and his coming hither, and to bind themselves to remain as hostages, promising to write for the immediate delivery of all prisoners without ransom. Perceives that the ambassadors doubt to obtain earls to be pledges. Thanks them for insisting upon that and other points of their instructions. As the Scots seem sincere and earnest; if they so continue at the return of their messenger, and thereupon without tract perform their offer, the Commissioners shall conclude (1) "a perpetual peace during our live and, if the[y] offer it, the same also extend to our posterities." (2) The exception of France to be left out of the treaty, which is if possible to be effectual against all potentates, "spiritual or temporal." (3) The king of Scots shall repair hither before Christmas. (4) All prisoners in Scotland to be at once freely delivered with horse and gear. (5) The hostages to lie here until the King's coming and the conclusion of the treaty. (fn. 3) (6) That upon conclusion of this matter the king of Scots shall dissolve his frontier garrisons, as the Commissioners shall do on this side.
If they cannot obtain earls for pledges, they must try to get one great personage besides the ambassadors, but, rather than break off for that, the three ambassadors will suffice, the cause why they remain being expressed in a bye writing signed by them. The Commissioners must make plain that the article of the rebels extends to Kirkmen, but, as the words comprehend that already, rather than break off they shall leave it and the matter of the lands until the meeting.
If agreement is made, the Commissioners shall immediately stay the shires named in their letters (fn. 4) to the Council, gather up the coats that have been delivered, restore unused conduct money to the treasurer, discharge all the army (except their own escort) and the garrison on the Borders at their repair thither, and as many of the King's ships as convenient; and send speedy notice to Suffolk to take like order for his company. Then, after sending the ambassadors to London, the four Commissioners, or at least two of them, shall repair to the Borders, view the state of Berwick and Wark, and take order for the fortification of the Borders and sale of the victuals sent thither, also for reducing Northumberland to good stay, and punishing persons of misbehaviour, or who have led the people out of order, or who first fled from the field when Sir Robt. Bowes and others were taken. That done, they shall discharge the garrisons, foreseeing that the Scots discharge theirs first. As the East and Middle Marches are the weakest frontier, and have of late sustained great damage, they should devise with the most discreet Borderers how to strengthen them.
To show the ambassadors how the French have in their treaty provided for themselves without regard to the Scots, and so persuade them to leave out the exception of France inserted in the former treaty, sends a copy of the "article that neither prince shall give aid nor assistance, &c.;" and my lord of Durham knows how the French qualified their comprehension (fn. 5). If the Scots vary from the conditions or bring in any other matter, showing that they mean only to delay, the Commissioners shall proceed in their journey.
As Warke is far out of order and Scots born suffered to remain in the house, Carre is to be removed from it and Raymonde established there. The dungeon is to be amended, and the well that was therein searched out and cleansed. Considering how earnestly Mr. James Leyrmonth has travailed to bring this amity to pass, some of them shall privately tell him that the King has as good an opinion of him as he ever conceived of any man that came forth of Scotland, and that the compassing of this amity and meeting shall be greatly to his advancement, whereas if the Kirkmen succeed in hindering it his service done therein may hereafter turn him to displeasure.
Draft with corrections and the last paragraph in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 25. Endd. : [Minute to] my 1. of Norff., my 1. P.S., the b. of Duresme and Sir Ant. Browne, xxijo Sept. ao xxxiiijo.
22 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 201. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 174.
824. Rutland and Others to Norfolk.
Encloses letters and news out of Scotland received, late last night, from Sir Wm. Eure. By his own espials, learnt yesterday that the king of Scots and all his temporal subjects would fain have peace, but the Kirkmen would not assent. Ten or twelve days bypast, arrived here a Frenchman, taken on the sea by Mr. Jenyns, being the Queen of Scots' furrier, and having a passport (copy enclosed). As it states that he should repair to his native country by Calais, and yet he has returned so far northward, he is here detained pending instructions from the Council. At the day of truce for the East Marches, like order was taken as for the Middle Marches. There has been no attemptate worth writing of on either side since 30 Aug., when he warned the garrisons to make no enterprise. Encloses a letter received yesterday from John Tempest, now detained in Scotland, and will make no answer until he hears from Norfolk. By report of both English and Scottish few others did so well "that day." Encloses also letters received this morning from Wharton.
Desires money to pay the garrisons, 3,300 men, whose month ended on Wednesday last, for all victuals, except fish, are dearer here than was ever known. Alnwick, 22 Sept.
Begs to know what answer to make Sir Cuthbert Ratclif and Mr. Witherington, who desire leave to come home upon pledges to enter again. This morning arrived a messenger of Scotland with letters from the King to his ambassadors at York; but, having no passport, he is stayed, according to Norfolk's letters.
Signed by Rutland, Latimer, Markham, and Uvedale.
Pp. 2. Endd. : to my lord of Norff., ao xxxiiijo.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 221. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 176 (1).
825. Rutland and Others to Norfolk.
This morning at 10 a.m., I received letters addressed to the King's Council, and, thinking that direction to be misconceived, opened the packet; but, as soon as I perceived it to be for the Council, closed and returned it herewith without looking further. Alnwick, . . . . [Sept]embre, 11 a.m. Signed by Rutland, Latimer, Markham, and Uvedale.
P. 1. Slightly mutilated. Add.
22 Sept.
R. O.
826. Oudart Du Bies to Wallop.
Has received his letter written at Guisnes yesterday, showing that he is informed that the assembly Du Bies made in Boullenois was intended for a course upon English ground. His informants have wickedly lied; and Du Bies prays him not to believe such false reports, and think that he (Du Bies) would do such a thing during the amity, which he knows to be between the Kings, their masters, and which he believes to be so good that Wallop may safely go hawking and hunting as he has been accustomed. Montreul, 22 Sept., 1542. Signed.
French, p. 1. Add. Sealed.
23 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 220. B. M. Hamilton Papers. No. 176.
827. Commissioners at York to the Council.
Addressed the enclosed letters to them on Thursday last, (fn. 6) but they were, by the negligence of the posts, conveyed to Rutland, who has returned them with his letters herewith, showing the scarcity of all victuals save fish. Hear nothing more of the ships of war, nor of the victuallers, save that Sabyons ship is arrived in Newcastle, and another ship (fn. 7) laden with Danske wheat is lost upon the Cocle beside Yermouthe. Norfolk's hand is not to this because he is gone "t'associate th'ambassador to hunt" at Sheriffhoton. York, 23 Sept., 11 a.m.
P.S.Have letters from Mr. Stannop that he can hear of no ships come to Hull, nor of the ship that should come to him with ordnance, and that, where we wrote to him for 100 tun of beer, the ships he victualled consumed all the cask in the country, and he can get none. Signed by Southampton, Durham and Browne.
Pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
23 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 223. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 177.
828. Southampton to Wriothesley.
The more I enter into this matter the more sorrow comes to my heart. Never was so great an enterprise purposed, and so ill provision made. And see what negligence in the post! The letters herewith should have been with you ere this, but were carried to my lord of Rutland, whose letters show how bare the country is. No victual has arrived but Sabian's ship with corn out of Danske; the other London ship (fn. 8) with the same corn is lost on the Norfolk coast. We have no close cart to carry our bread dry, nor mills to grind corn, nor ovens to bake, nor brewhouses to brew, even if the grain were come. Here is no cask, and I can hardly get baskets to carry bread in. Never man acquitted himself more slenderly than Lawson has done; and if you saw what tall men they are, and how ill-furnished we are for their necessaries, it would make your heart bleed. York, 23 Sept. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
23 Sept.
R. O.
829. The Council Of Calais to the Council.
Upon their letters of 8 Aug., have allotted to Ruisbank castle eight gunners chosen out of the scholars of this town, not being in wages. The increased number here and at Guisnes, of gunners extraordinary enjoying 6d. a day, has provoked many here to learn the feat of gunners, and it would encourage the youth of this town if these eight gunners might be established there in their own wages. Enclose a book of the state of the said castle, and what further artillery Master Carewe demands, to give to every loop one piece and to each platform three; which cannot be furnished here.
On the 4th inst., Joan Baron of Canterbury, accused here of heresy, was acquitted by verdict of 12 men. Have however "repried" her for heresies objected to her at Canterbury, and ask whether to send her thither. "Also Denys Tod, sent hither out of France, being the same day indicted of heresy, and standing obstinate in the same, was, the Saturday after, brent." Calais, 23 Sept. 1542. Signed : H. Mawtravers : Rauff Ellerkar : Edward Bray : Edwarde Wotton : Edward Ryngeley.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
R. O. 2. Descriptive list (1) of "th'ordnance that is at this present at Ruisbank," (2) of certain ordnance "moreover delivered to John Carewe, constable of Ruisbanck, by George Brown, master of the King's Majesty's ordnance," and (3) of ordnance "lacking to furnish every place within the same" (viz. 4 sacres, 7 basses, 5 fowlers, 3 double culverins, 2 great port pieces and 3 falcons).
ii. "The present state of Ruisbanck," viz., the tower next the sea half platformed; the over roof of the tower next the town boarded ready for leading; the old dungeon "being new leaded is unplatformed," the new lodgings unroofed, and "one new door made at the entering into the house."
Pp. 4. In the same hand as 1.
23 Sept.
R. O.
830. Jehan De Gommey to Wallop.
Has received his letter and that to the Great Master, which he will forward. As to the "masse" which the French have made lately, are not well informed; but news is come that the Dauphin is defeated on the Spanish frontier, with loss of 15,000 foot, 300 men of arms, and all his artillery. Mons. d'Orleans retired hastily, leaving nine standards of Low Germans in the town of Luxembourg, who abandoned it at the approach of the Emperor's army. The French will therefore no longer take them into their service; and they dare not return home, because there, wherever they are found, they are hanged. The rest of the towns of Luxembourg, which Orleans took in four months, are recovered in 15 days, and the Emperor's army is beside Messier, pursuing its victory, being in number 30,000 foot and 6,000 horse. To garrison Arthois and Hainault this winter, are coming 9,000 High Germans, who are expected on the 25th inst. St. Omer, 23 Sept.
French, p. 1. Add. : Monssieur le cappitaine et gouverneur de Guinnes.
[24 Sept.]
R. O. St. P., III. 421.
831. O'Neil.
Submission of Oneil made before the King, confessing that he has offended through ignorance of his "most bounden duty of allegiance;" and asking pardon and to have such title and lands as the King will grant him. Signed with a cross.
R. O. 2. Copy of the preceding with a blank space left for the name of Oneil. Subscribed and endorsed, "The submission of Onele."
P. 1.
Titus B. XI., 381. B. M. 3. Printed copy of Oneyll's submission, as in 1, headed as made to the King at Greenwich 24 Sept. 34 Hen. VIII. With a further note that O'Neil was made earl of Tyrone on 1 Oct., and that his son's name "is Mathye Baron of Doncane."
P. 1. Printed, by Ric. Lant, for John Gough.
Harl. M.S. 6,074 f. 58b. B. M. 4. Copy of the heading and submission as in 3.
P. 1.
R. O. 5. Modern copy of 3.
Pp. 2.

R. O.
832. O'Neil.
"Certain articles and conditions which Oneil did promise duly to observe and perform at such time as he made his submission to the King's Majesty."
To take such name as the King may give him, introduce English habit, manners and language, keep his lands in tillage, make no exactions on the King's subjects nor keep galloglass or kerne except at the Deputy and Council's order, obey the laws, assist at hostings, not harbour rebels, and hold his lands by one knight's fee. Eight articles. Signed with a mark.
Pp. 3. Endd. : "Certain conditions whereunto th'earl of Tyron is bound, subscribed with his hand."
R. O. 2. Draft of the preceding.
Pp. 7.
R. O. 3. The first article of 1 in Wriothesley's hand.
P. 1.
R. O. 4. Copy of 1 in the same hand as No. 831 (2), with a blank space left for the name of Oneil wherever it occurs.
Subscribed by Wriothesley : "The articles whereunto Onele hath bounden himself."
Pp. 2. Endd. : Articles whereunto Oneyle subscribed.
Hatfield MS. 5. Another copy of 1.
Pp. 2. See Calendar of Cecil MS. Part I., 73.

R. O.
833. O'Neil.
Memoranda headed : "Concerning th'expedition of Oneyle."
"First the same Onele to be create upon Sunday next coming earl of Tyron." A patent of creation to be made to him and one of his sons and their heirs male, containing also the gift of the county of Tyrone and the lands in it now possessed by Onele. "Robes of estate to be prepared at the King's charge for the said creation." A chain worth 100l. to be prepared and given to Onele on the King's behalf; also the sum of (blank), with such apparel as the King shall think good.
In Gardiner's hand, p. 1. Endd.
24 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 35.
834. The Privy Council.
The entry, Greenwich, 23 Sept., records neither attendance nor business.
Meeting at Greenwich, 24 Sept. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Gage, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Riche, Baker, Dacres. Business :Answer in French sent to the French ambassador, to his request for delivery of two French ships taken as pirates. Placard to Sir Hen. Knevett to take up carts to convey his stuff northward. Letter sent to Deputy to deliver to De Bies a Frenchman imprisoned at Calais for robbing a Burgundian within the Pale; in consideration of like gentleness shown by De Bies to Wallop.
24 Sept.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 63.]
835. Chapuys to the Queen Of Hungary.
The English still make no mention of the answer they promised him upon the affair of the aid, and he believes, as he has always said, that they will not until they have news from Spain, from which quarter nothing is heard except what was brought by a servant of this King's ambassador in France, viz., that, on the 29th ult., when the French were battering Perpignan 900 men issued out of the town, slew 700 of those who guarded the French artillery, and put the rest to flight, and, but for Montpesat's arrival with a great force, would have carried off the artillery, of which they spiked six or seven of the principal pieces. On the following day, at midday, a reinforcement of 2,000 Spaniards entered Perpignan with the loss of only one man, and on the preceding day they lost only ten or twelve. The Swiss would not move on either day, at which the French king was annoyed, and, for distrust of them, he left off hunting between Narbonne and Carcassone, and retired into Narbonne. The French at the camp lamented the lack of victuals for their horses, especially of barley. This is agreeable news to the English, and although she may have heard it otherwise he thinks best to write it.
According to the "description" published here, and the common bruit, this King has now near the frontiers of Scotland over 100,000 men, besides 20,000 which the duke of Suffolk is assembling to support them. And the King daily enrolls men, and musters are unceasing, and incredible quantities of munition and victuals are sent to that quarter. Besides the army by land, the King makes a great effort by sea, and his ships have already almost cleared this coast of the French pirates, having lately taken two, one French and the other Scotch, laden with artillery, harness, and other war provision. It is not credible that the deputies will conclude peace at this assembly in York on the 18th inst., for this King will not be willing to lose the great expense he has made and will consider this the season for his enterprise, when the French are busy elsewhere, and the confederates, as Sweden, Prussia, and Denmark, cannot just now assist Scotland.
Of late the King has been most flattering to the Princess, and has given her certain rings and jewels, which have, however, rot rejoiced her so much as the good order put by the Queen of Hungary in affairs there, and the appearance that affairs will be well. Here is no other news save that lately, on the coast of Ireland, thirty Spanish ships equipped for war met the French fleet returning from the fishery of the Terre Nouvelle, 80 or 100 little fishing ships, and took them all or most of them. The esquire Fallaix is still at Bristol, awaiting a favourable wind to set sail. London, 24 Sept. 1542.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 3.
24 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 225. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 178.
836. Commissioners at York to the Council.
Received the King's and their letters yesterday at 9 o'clock. No news of the coming of ships, or of others of Norfolk's company, save Sir Edm. Wyndham, whose ship was, from within four miles of Tynmouth, driven back to Scarborough, and there lies with the wind north northwest, as contrarious as can blow. To give time for the victual to be brewed and baked, have sent the enclosed proclamation to all the shires in Norfolk's commission to stay their setting forth. The coats cannot be gathered together as the King directs, for they have already been worn, and many here have no other garments. Will be sparing of conduct money, as also they have written to Suffolk to be. York, 24 Sept.
P.S.Enclose letters from Jennyns and Sir Geo. Lawson. Jennyns writes of a hulk with 2,000 qr. of rye stayed by him. As she is of too great burden to come to Berwick or Newcastle, he is to discharge her at Hull.
As yet there is no answer out of Scotland to the ambassador's letters. The King writes that if they agree with the ambassadors, two of them shall go northwards. Beg that the two may be named in next letters, for none of them would refuse. Signed by Norfolk, Southampton, Durham, and Browne.
Pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
Ib. f. 227. Hamilton Papers, No. 178 (1). 2. Proclamation by Norfolk to the captains that (whereas they were to be with their men at Newcastle on 7 Oct., and receive money here for conduct and coats on Thursday or Friday next) as the King's ships laden with victual towards Berwick and Newcastle, for the army in Scotland, are not arrived, their coming to Newcastle is to be deferred to 11 Oct., and they shall send hither for money for conduct and coats on Tuesday week. York, 24 Sept. 34 Hen. VIII.
P. 1. Endd. : The copy of my lord of Norff. letter for the stay of the captains till a further day.
24 Sept.
R. O.
837. Wallop to the Council.
For news of the Emperor's army that went to Luxemburghe, and of the Dolphin before Perpenion, wrote a letter to the Great Master of Flanders, and enclosed it in one to Mons. de Gommey, captain of the castle of St. Omez, declaring it to be of great importance, to the intent that he might be the more willing to write such pithy news as he had, which he has done, if it be true. Encloses his letter. He is esteemed a very honest gentleman.
Yesterday proclamation was made at Boullen for all footmen of Boullonoiez who before served Vandosme to muster at Boullen and receive wages. Hears that they shall repair towards Hesding, doubting a siege of it. Mons. de Beez is gone towards Abbeville, and Mons. de Torsey's band towards Boullen, he himself remaining sick at Arde with but 10 horses; "and for him cometh the band of Mons. la Myllerey, vice admiral of Normandy," but not yet. This gathering is to assist Vandsome in defence of the Borders.
Yesterday seven Burgundian horsemen took a booty at Beawlew, within half a mile of Fyennes, "so as now every bush is a Bourgonon to the eyes of the Frenchmen in these parts." Guisnes, 24 Sept. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
24 Sept.
R. O. St. P. ix., 173.
838. Paget to Henry VIII.
Hearing that the siege of Perpignan was raised, and the camp there retired, thought to send bearer, Hams, to England to declare the circumstance; and sent to Court for a passport for him. Meanwhile learnt that there was bruit of war with England, and that the King had joined, in discourse, Henry and the Emperor, and spoken unfriendly words (detailed, to the effect that Henry would make war on him and had begun with the Scots, who had however killed 1,000 Englishmen, and killed or taken the earl of Douglas; and that Henry had now against him the Pope and the Scottish king, and, for his sake, the kings of Sweden and Denmark and dukes of Cleves and Prusse would also be his enemies, and his own people loved him not; that he could do more with 100,000 crs. than Henry with 1,000,000 crs., and that he had done much for Henry, and had refused to overrun him when the Pope, the Emperor and all the world urged him to it) to hear which Paget's heart "frobbed." Determined upon this to go to the Admiral, upon plea of obtaining the passport; but, half-way to the Court, met his man returning with the passport, who said that the Admiral and duke of St. Pol had gone to the camp and the Queen of Navarre to Tourayne. Being thus at a stay, decided to say nothing about these bruits; and just then Laplanche, of whom he has written before, arrived at the inn, in post from Mons. de Longevalle in Picardy. Invited him to supper, intending to learn their proceedings in Flanders. Details conversation with Laplanche, who, after describing what they had done before Antwerp, Mechlin and Louvain, said he was sent by De Longevalle to declare that in Picardy things were well, and the men who came to Calais were but to furnish the holds there; but there was some to do for ships (which Paget made light of) and the English had begun war with the Scots (which Paget denied, saying that he heard privately that the Scots ministered the occasion, and had already repented, and were suing for treaty). He wished the marriage for Orleans had gone forward.
On St. Matthew's day, was walking in the cloister of the Grey Friars here at Pesenas, with the ambassador of Venice, who said that on Tuesday last, being at Court to explain certain things done at Venice against this King, he heard that the King, the same day, had notified at table that Henry was at war with him, and he had sent commission to Brittayne, Normandy and Picardy to put ready the 300 ships there to annoy the English, and would against next year inhibit traffic. This was after Laplanche's arrival in the Court. While the ambassador was talking, Laplanche came in, booted and spurred, saying that he went to Montpeslier, but could not, in passing, forbear to salute Paget. Suspecting that he came on purpose, committed the Venetian to another ambassador who came to mass, and took Laplanche apart.
Laplanche said he was a branch of the Admiral's and minister to Mons. d'Orleans, and knowing that all the Admiral's enemies would be glad of war with England, thought it his part to work for the continuance of the amity. He had intended to tell the Admiral of his friendly communication with Paget, but found him absent from Court. After declaring his commission to the King, he had spoken of England, and the King had said that, in his affection for Henry, he had practised for the marriage of the Dauphin, and, now of late, of Orleans (without effect, by Henry's fault), to which he (Laplanche) had answered that if any good was done it should be done while so good a minister as Paget was here, who had told him (Laplanche) that these bruits were unfounded, and that Henry would never begin war without provocation. The King thereupon willed him to declare to Paget his affection for Henry, that he had in prison three Normans who had done hurt to Englishmen on the sea, and doubted not but Henry would do like justice, and that he was sorry for the war with the Scots, which was procured by the Emperor and the Pope in order to gain Henry (for he had travailed these two or three years to prevent it). Paget commended Laplanche's honorable proceeding, and reminded him of what Henry had done for the French king, saying that he had indeed heard a rumor that Frenchmen had robbed Englishmen on the sea, but he marvelled that the French king should found his proceedings upon rumors and hearsays, and speak, with so wide a mouth, words which Paget would be sorry to have his master hear, howbeit he did not write all he heard, "as some other men do, peradventure more than the truth." Laplanche answered that perhaps his master had said Henry would make war, but it was said with no ill intent, because the Spaniards and Flemings bragged of Henry's amity. And here he entered the matter of the marriage, praising Mons. d'Orleans, and suggesting that a less sum might now be asked. Paget fed him with fair framed words as good as he brought. He was beginning again touching the Scots when word came that the priest was ready to go to mass; so Paget asked him to dinner. After dinner, he repeated his commission with the addition that the King wished Paget to know that the Scottish king complained that Henry went about to oppress him, and desired the French king to intervene, who desired Paget's advice whether to write to his ambassador therein, as he was minded to do. Replied that, if so, the Scottish king "played the curst cat that scratted and cried," for he knew Henry would not make war upon his nephew without occasion; but he knew not in what terms matters stood, and was sure Francis knew how to conduct his affairs without the advice of such a fool as he (Paget) was. "What think you (quoth he) in it; for of one thing you may be assured that a king of France will never suffer a king of Scotland to be oppressed." The words were out before he was aware, and, to amend them, he added, "than a king of England will suffer an Emperor or a French king to be overcome one of another, but to keep them in an equality." Asked if he compared the amity of Scotland with that of England. Had the king of Scots showed them such benevolence as Henry had? If the king of Scots injured Henry's subjects, to say they would not see him oppressed was to maintain him to do injury. Laplanche said they might not see him "totally oppressed," and would not see him do injury; and now that Paget said he had done injury, did he not advise them to write to the ambassador to treat a redress? Replied that he knew not whether there was injury or war, and could say nothing, for he had nothing to do with matters of Scotland. Laplanche said that the King wished Paget at least to advertise Henry with diligence lest some inconvenience should intervene. Answered that he knew not how to make diligence, for there was such restraint of post horses, and the passport now sent him was to no purpose. He said it was the secretary's fault, and a better should be sent to-morrow; and so departed.
Trusts that in the above discourse he held the balance so upright that Henry may put his foot in which side he will; and if he said anything unadvisedly, he begs pardon, for he is fittter to write letters of course at home than meddle with such weighty matters. Laplanche, who is of late made matre d'hotel to Mons. d'Orleans, was before of mean estimation in the Court, although noted witty and in favour with De Longevalle. He had ever great practice with Cleves, and Paget has had intelligence by him. Suspected whether he came from the King direct, but now thinks he did, and that the King sent a person of small credit on purpose; for he has known them to vary in their sayings, as of late the King's saying to Paget differed from that which Laubespyny declared to Henry.
As for occurrents here, on Friday was sevennight all the captains before Perpignan sent their opinions to the King in writing that the town was impregnable, and next day moved the camp nearer the sea, their artillery toward the river, whereof were but 19 pieces out of 32, the rest being "clowed," dismounted or broken with shot from the town. The Monday after, the Admiral and St. Pol arrived at the camp, and went about the town aloof; and, perhaps hearing of the rescues that are coming, the camp, on Friday, retired across the river five English miles from the town to await the coming of 8,000 lanceknights of Mons. d'Orleans' band, the rest of which is left to guard the towns they have taken and to reinforce Vendosme and De Longevalle. When the lanceknights and Swiss come, we will give the Spaniards battle. The King shows himself in words a prince of great courage, otherwise he would not enterprise battle any more than he did before Avignon; for whereas 18,000 footmen were reported to be before Perpignan, he confesses that there are not in all above 15,000, and men doubt (reasons given) the coming of the Swiss. As for the 8,000 lanceknights, Orleans and De Longevalle together had only 10,000, whereof Laplanche said on Monday that they had lent 8,500 to the Landgrave to invade the duke of Brunswick, who is greatly distressed; and on Thursday he said they left 2,000 to furnish Yvoy, 3,000 to furnish Luxembourg, 10,000 to Vendosme and De Longevalle, and 8,000 should come hither, whereas he said at Mountysursau that the band out of Cleves was 6,000 and that of Mons. d'Orleans 4,000. The King is determined to redubbe this dishonour at Perpignan by joining battle, or else taking and fortifying some strong town; and has taken up masons and brought in post from Arde one "called Sainct Romey, a great doer in his fortifications there. He is a Gascon, a short black fellow." The King says that all the Emperor's bands are arrived and make 30,000 or 35,000; and yet, "to be sure of th'encounter with th'Emperor in battle (I beseech you, sir, to pardon mine unseemly terms, for the King spake them and worse), he would give his daughter to be a strumpet of the bordel." Describes the ill order kept in the camp, and sends a plat of the town, referring explanations to bearer, who has been twice at the camp. The Spaniards are masters of the Pertuse and the sea, and have stopped the passage of victuals from Aygue Mortes; but we make light of it, reposing in our chivalry. The Turk comes not, and we hear nothing of his 100,000 crs. a month. The King demands out of hand the "tailes" which are not leviable until Candlemas, and has summoned the parliaments of each province to meet severally on 14 Nov., to provide a subsidy (described). Guasto has burnt Villanova. De Langey has taken Cherasa, and would have taken Villa Alba, but was beaten by the way. Guasto's lieutenant, Cesar de Napolis, has failed to take Civas. Orleans is arrived at Court, and has had great cheer of his father. He went to see the camp and returned, as Mons. de Bonevale and the Count Roussy did, sick. The two cardinals Paget wrote of are in France, Sadolet, between this and Avignon, coming in a horse litter. Contarini fell sick by the way and died, and in his stead comes the Portuguese Cardinal, Vegesus, who passed through this town on Wednesday last towards the Emperor. Men say they might as well have tarried at home, and yet some wise men say they shall find this King tractable enough." It is six weeks since anything has been written to Rome; and the practice with the Venetians is dashed, for they impute the loss of their Napoli in Romania and Malvesie, and their payment of 200,000 crs. to this King's procurement. The Venetian secretary in England is commissioned to declare the thing, but Paget is sure he knows more of it, and therefore declares it briefly as follows. The Venetians, being leagued with the Emperor against the Turk, and being denied the assistance of Doria's galleys, sent a gentleman (fn. 9) to treat for peace with the Turk, with two commissions, one general (and known to the whole hundred of the Signory), the other secret (and known only to the Ten), directing him, as a last resource, to offer the said money and towns. When the gentleman would have opened his general commission, "Tush, tush (quoth the Turk, at the first word), leave off this dallying and proceed to your secret commission, promising me, according to the same, the sum of money and the towns that you are appointed without further delay, or else depart hence, for I will endure no longer." The gentleman, considering the necessity, thereupon concluded; and two years passed, until of late the Signory heard of the Turk's said short answer, and, inquiring into the matter, found that two of their secretaries had been corrupted by this King, and, through Turchetto, Pierre Strosse, and Augustinus de Bonda, had declared secrets to the French ambassador, who advertised his master, and his master advertised the Turk." The Signory have perceived since that the Turk would have made peace, without the said towns, for half the money. The one secretary escaped, the other (who had married Turchetto's sister) took refuge in the ambassador's house, where Turchetto also was. The ambassador refused to deliver him, and made resistance, but the Signory entered by force, committed the secretary, Turchetto, and Bonda, who was Fregosa's agent, to ward, and wrote hither for the ambassador's recal. Describes the curt audience given to the Venetian ambassador when he went to require this, which was "immediately upon" Paget's last despatch; and how since, when he wished to declare the process made, and how the Strosses and Fregosas were all banished, the King refused him audience, and the Card, of Ferrara, who sought to obtain it for him, had to make an excuse that the King had displeasant news out of England.
This King goes to-morrow to the camp, where a house of "seasoned juniper" is provided for him, but will not tarry unless the Emperor come in person, for that country is dangerously subject to changes of temperature. He goes to advise and to commune with his "engenvers," as they call them, masters of works, about making a fortress at Claro. One of them, an Italian called Jerolomo Marino, promises to make one in 20 days. Alba is at the entry of the Pertuse with 16,000 men. When rescues come the French expect them to come both by land and sea, and provide against a landing at Colure. Pesenas in Languedoc, 24 Sept., 9 p.m. Signed.
Pp. 18. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
Caius College MS. 597, p. 172. 2. Letter-book copy of the preceding, in the hand of Paget's clerk.
Pp. 17.
24 Sept.
R. O.
839. Paget to the Council.
Has received theirs of the 2nd inst., showing the King's goodness, who having authority to command would rather give a "gentle provocation" to him to write often. Protests desire to do service.
(fn. 10) This King appointed us to be lodged at Montpeslier, 100 miles from the camp, as I only learnt three days ago, and did not expect, for the King himself promised that I should be lodged nearer, and I suppose our master keeps not an ambassador here "to serve for a cipher in Algorim." Although so near him (40 English miles, and 80 from the camp), "I know that he taxed me by name." The Admiral, by importune suit, appointed me hither. Between this and the Court no lodging or victuals can be obtained without ticket. Post horses are only delivered upon a schedule from the King or Council. Wrote from St. Urbayn's, in June, that men were forbidden his company. The inhibition is renewed, and his men are shunned; so that he can only hear rumors, which are mostly lies. The French king either distrusts Henry's friendship or would not have it divulged that his things go not as he would. No letter can pass the frontier without his lieutenant opening and reading it. Has not heard of this being done with ambassadors' letters, "for none despatcheth without a passport;" but the bearer of Paget's last letters from the Council was required by the cardinal of Tournon, at Lyons, to show the packet. Thinks that the King's signet saved it from being opened.
Begs them to show the King that he will serve while he can, and afterwards (when opportunity fails) expect the King "to use towards me the part of my God (as indeed I take him for my God in earth), and by his goodness t'accept my goodwill for a satisfaction." Pesenas, 24 Sept. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
24 Sept.
R. O.
840. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
By his last, of 14th inst., signified that the gentleman (fn. 11) of whom the Council wrote, 1 Aug., was in Turin, and that his servant here should write to him to come for certain money. Thinks he will come with speed, and will then show him the King's commission, not doubting but that he will be in England soon. "Venetians, about iij days past, hath hanged by the neck Monsr. Valier, priest, a man of great name for learning and experience and beneficiate by the French k. of 1,200 crowns the year, and the secretary Cavatzo, with Augustin Labondi, for their offence committed against this state." The other principal secretary Cavatza is taken in Sr Camillo Ursin's ground, a captain of this Dominion, and shall be conduced to these men's hands. "It is 'steemed that many of the principal gentlemen of this city are culpable by corruptions, which the Frenchmen seemeth to practise in all places." There is no news of moment from Constantinople or Hungary. Evidently the Turks abstain for this year, except to succour Buda. Guasto is attempting to take certain towns in Piemont. In Parpignan are 4,000 or 6,000 soldiers, and the duke of Alba is not far off with 8,000. The French have beaten it in three places without effect. Venice, 24 Sept. 1542.
P.S.Letters from Milan report that Guasto has taken some unimportant towns. The war is very cruel, both sides killing or sending to the galleys all that are "overcomen."
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd.
24 Sept.
R. O.
841. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
Peter Aretin, "much famous for his wit and liberty of writing in th'Italian tongue," has asked me to send this book of his letters "lately printed and dedicate to your Majesty," whom he venerates both for the 300 crs. you before gave him and for your virtues. He has long been persecuted by the Roman prelates, whose detestable vices he has scourged with his vehement and sharp style. The man is poor, and depends only on the liberality of princes. He expects some small reward from Henry, whom, in return, he will glorify with his pen in spite of the Roman prelates. (fn. 12) Venice, 24 Sept. 1542.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd.
25 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 36.
842. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Greenwich, 25 Sept. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Gage, Wriothesley, Wingfield, Dacres. Business :Placard signed for taking up carts to convey Suffolk's stuff northward. Letter written to the commissioners in the North, for John Tempest and those taken prisoners with him to have their wages from the day of their apprehension.
25 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 229. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 180.
843. The Privy Council to the Commissioners at York.
If they agree with the ambassadors and determine a meeting to be shortly between the King and the king of Scots, order must be taken for laying posts and for honest provision for him by the way, and some nobleman to attend him. Wherefore the King will have one of you, my lord Privy Seal and Mr. Browne, attend his coming, and prepare for his posts and lodging.
Draft in Wriothesley's hand. Endd. : Minute to [my lord of Norff.], &c., xxvo Sept. ao xxxiiijo.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 228. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 179. 2. Apparently a postscript to the preceding.
"Post scripta : We have received your Lordships' letters of the (blank), of this present," with enclosures, and have declared them to the King, who takes your proceedings in thankful part. Trust that the ships will be there ere these are received. Are sorry the Scottish post was stayed for lack of passport. The Frenchman, because he took another way than his passport directed, is to be stayed till they see how matters frame. John Tempest and his men are to have their wages. The King has seen the two schedules and marvels "how John Badnawle should know thes[e] th[ings] by him spoken, being th'ole effect of all the matter now in treaty." (fn. 13) They shall enquire how he heard it. As the King sends John Rows, John Ellson [and?] and John Masterson (fn. 14) with certain stuff into the North, they are to be provided with carts and horses.
Pp. 2. Draft in Mason's hand, with corrections in Wriothesley's.
[25 Sept.]
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 179. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 165.
844. Southampton to Wriothesley.
Cannot give him thanks enough for his kindness. Had liever tell his master truth in what touches his realm, and bear some blame, than a lie and have great reward, and is sure truth will preserve every man that uses it, "and yet I pray God we have no lack of things that men (fn. 15) must needs have, and then fear ye not the King shall be well served." The Father of heaven preserve the King and his son. York, this Monday.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Mr. Secretary Wriothesley. Sealed.


  • 1. Napoli di Malvasia.
  • 2. Prince Edward.
  • 3. Altered from "the space, if ye may attain it, of xviij months, or xij months at the least."
  • 4. No. 808.
  • 5. Here it is to be remembered that :(1) The last treaty with Scotland, of 11 May, 1534, contained a proviso that the ancient leagues of Scotland and England with France should not be affected by it. (2) One article of the treaty with France of 18 Sept., 1527 (which confirmed that of the More of 30 Aug., 1525) was that neither Henry nor Francis should aid or countenance any prince or people in invading the other's dominions; which was also the gist of a clause in the treaty of the More. (3) The comprehension of the Scots in the treaty of the More was qualified by a separate treaty made at the same time.
  • 6. Thursday, 21 Sept. See Nos. 819, 825.
  • 7. The Thomas Doughty. See No. 846.
  • 8. The Thomas Doughty.
  • 9. Luigi Badoar. See No. 693.
  • 10. The portion described in this paragraph is printed as a note in St. P. ix., p. 187.
  • 11. Bothwell? See No. 558.
  • 12. The passage described in these three last sentences is printed, as a note in St. P. ix., p. 188.
  • 13. Altered from "by what mean be should hear that the King of Skotts should repair to the King's highness."
  • 14. Misread "Muscris" in Hamilton Papers. The name is written beneath the other two and may indicate an alternative rather than an additional messenger.
  • 15. Misread "we" in Hamilton Papers.