Henry VIII: October 1545, 21-25

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 20 Part 2, August-December 1545. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1907.

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October 1545, 21-25

21 Oct. 625. The Privy Council to Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne.
R. O.
St. P., x. 635.
Have received letters from "you my lord of Westminster" in answer to which they are to declare, at the first access of "you, my lord of Wynchestre," (forasmuch as Granvelle and others have told Westminster that the Emperor would not now treat the matter between the King and him until the practise for truce between the King and the French king were resolved) that the King marvels that (the matter between him and France being a matter separate from the purpose of the treaty between him and the Emperor, who has declared his wish to have all doubts removed) the Emperor should now say that the truce must first be spoken of. And they shall ask, as of themselves, whether if the truce should not go forward the Emperor meant to stay the practice between the King and him. They shall say that there are two practices, one concerning the continuance of the amity between their Majesties, the other concerning truce or peace with France, for the conclusion whereof with the French ambassadors Winchester is now sent to join with the King's other ambassadors. In the one the Emperor is a principal, and yet he makes it an appendix to the other, wherein he is only as a friend. A truce the King never meant "but in respect of the meeting," for it is of no advantage to him, but to the enemy; and yet (they shall say) the King can be content therewith, if the Emperor will set a day for the meeting, or else will go through with the treaty in the form here declared to his ambassadors, which has been so often debated that it may be finished out of hand; for which purpose a commission shall be sent to them shortly. If the Emperor agree to these two points, or one of them, the truce may be made for from six to twelve months; and, where Westminster is told that the King's resolution concerning France must be known before the practice between him and the Emperor can be considered, this acceptance of a truce upon the above conditions leaves no cause for delay in concluding the said practice. The truce is to rest upon the points that were in Skipperus's memorial (of which they have a copy) with this addition, that neither prince shall fortify in Boullonnoys or manure the ground there, but leave it as debateable ground, nor trouble the other, directly or indirectly, and that the French king begin no new fortifications within the county of Guisnes. In case the Emperor or his Council allege that, being now mediators, they cannot enter any covenant or do anything prejudicial to France, and must defer contribution of the aid, it is to be answered that the King marvels that, being bound to him by the treaty, the Emperor could make so little scruple to enter a new covenant with his enemy, contrary to that treaty, and now (when it comes, not to making a new treaty, but to agreeing to keep that whereunto he was before bound) "should make such a conscience in the matter." The Emperor is not required to keep the treaty expressly against France (for France is not named in it); and as for the aid, although truce or peace should now ensue, the King doubts not but that the Emperor will satisfy him in that behalf, being a thing due by the treaty and not denied by the Emperor, and payment having been long forborne. In this the Emperor is to be pressed. If the comprehension of the Scots is mentioned, the same answer must be made as was made here. The King much desires to hear the answer in these matters, "and to know how this world worketh there otherwise."
Draft corrected by Paget, pp. 15. Endd.: M. to my lordes of Winchester and Westminster and Mr. Carne, xxjo Octobris, 1545.
Add. MS.
25, 114, f. 333.
B. M.
2. Original letter of which the above is the minute. Dated Benfeld, 21 Oct. 1545. Signed by Wriothesley, Cheyne, Browne, Wingfield, Paget and Petre.
Pp. 5. Add.
626. Paget to Captain Buckholt.
R. O. I have received your letters, one to the King and the other to me, complaining that the King's Commissaries will not pay for the horses you have brought beyond the number of 500. As your covenant is for no more than 500, and the Commissaries are instructed to receive no more into wages, you cannot blame them; nevertheless, understanding that they have already received from you a certain number more, we have written to them to make you some honest allowance for them.
French. Draft, p. 1. Endd.: Mr. Secr. Mr. Paget to Capitain Buckholt.
21 Oct. 627. Gardiner to Paget.
R. O. Yesterday "the wind was so aloft and, by reason of the quarter it stood in, the farther shore so foul, that they would make no passage." This day is fair. The mayor and aldermen of Cauntorbury showed him of a misorder there lately, so abominable that he would not write it upon any other report. A fortnight ago there came to Cauntorbury a band of soldiers from Portysmouth, going to Boleyn, who devised by the way such a "sleight" of robbing as (one of the aldermen said) showed that some of them had been "scholars of Cambridge." Smiled to think how, unawares, the alderman touched him, as Chancellor of that University. The report of their conceits has some mirth in it. He that had no money would go into the town showing a borrowed groat and saying "will no man give me four pence"? And when some simple body, thinking to change the groat, gave fourpence, he "put off his cap with a great many thanks" and, being asked for the groat, laid his hand on his breast and swore that it was not his, but he would remember her kindness; and so left the woman weeping. Another showed an angel of gold to a priest and, saying that he wanted white money, asked the priest to help him; who, thinking to change his angel, began to tell out 24 groats, but at the 20th the soldier "clapped his hand fast" and said he would make shift with that, in this hard world he thought the priest strained himself to forbear so much and surely he thanked him; and "when the priest asked the angel the soldier swore that both would scarce serve his purpose." Others were deceived with knocks, for when one soldier had sold his sword or cloak, another would give the buyer a blow on the ear, asking "what he did with his sword or his cloak, and so took it away." Asked the mayor why he reformed not the matter, who answered "he was told he might meddle with no soldier. I told him I took it not so." Describes how some of them went into the Cathedral church and "made a resemblance to sing a gospel, with Dominus vobiscum, and the rest answering, and began the book of generation of Margery Curson, and she begat such a bawd, etc., and then they went to procession," and took down and mangled a great image of St. John Baptiste, with "such spiteful words as have not been heard"; and afterwards, to the number of 160, "went in array through the town, with their drumslade, singing like men mad." The mayor then spoke to their petty captain, who kept them within their lodgings that night till 10 o'clock, when some of them made a fray with the watch. Next day they were examined before my lord of Canterbury, who apparently durst not punish them, for the three sent to prison at 10 a.m. were released at 1 or 2 p.m. They tarried in the town seven or eight days after, without paying for what they took, and so owe the poor men 35l. or 40l. Their petty captain swears that he will sell his land to pay it, "and hath indeed none and his preferment in marriage hath not been great, for he married of my neighbour, as it is told me." I write this to provoke you to write at length to me. "My paper is spent and the mariners tarry for me." Dover, 21 Oct., in the morning.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Endd.: 1545.
21 Oct. 628. Bucler and Mont to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., x. 634.
Wrote on the 5th inst. The Elector of Saxony, Duke Morice, the duke of Lunemburgh and the Lantgrave are up with 4,000 horsemen and 40,000 footmen against the duke of Brunswick and his adherents, some of whom are suspected to be of great power; and they have "obsessed" the Duke beside Wolfenbutell (before which castle he has already in two assaults lost 400 men) and stopped his victuals, so that he must either fight or yield. The Bishop of Collyn is now in the town of Collyn and sends often to the Palsgrave (to whom he went lately) and the Protestant princes. If this war had not chanced he would have been with them at Noumbergh in Misnia, together with the king of Denmark and duke of Pruse. Here is great expectation to hear the end of this impending battle. Victory would much further the Protestants' proceedings in these parts. At Magunce a new bishop is elected, called Huisensteine, who was one of the "dome herrs" there, a gentleman of small family; "for the other's great birth and house hath been very grievous and chargeable for the whole diocese of Mence." Franckforde, 21 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.: 1545.
21 Oct. 629. Bucler and Mont to Paget.
R. O. Write to the King of occurrents since their last letters of the 5th inst. The Lantgrave has had much lack of his men, especially horsemen, that are gone to the King's service, now at the Duke of Brunswick's invasion. The Protestants blame his want of circumspection therein; but there is good hope of success in this battle, and he himself repents it nothing, if they may do the King good service. There has been great rumour that the Emperor intends to take the said soldiers to his service, and the Protestants fear to have their own soldiers used against themselves. At their "dimission" please take order "to avoid that inconvenience." Opinion is constant that the Diet of the Protestants will "go forth shortly," but the time is uncertain until this battle be ended. Remember the return of our post. Franckforde, 21 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.: 1545.
21 Oct. 630. The Landgrave to Count Teckelnburg.
R. O.
St. P., x. 643.
Describes how this morning, shortly after midnight, with Maurice strike of Saxony and Eric duke of Brunswick, who led the forces of Ernest duke of Saxony, (fn. n1) he attacked and routed the enemy; and now has Henry duke of Brunswick and his son Charles Victor prisoners. Datum ex castris ad Oberhusen, 21 Oct. 1545.
Lat. Translation from the German, pp. 2. Address (translated): Nobili et generoso Conrado Comiti in Teckelnborg, Linge et Rede, sororio nostro. Endd.: Copie of the Lantgrave's letters to a kinsman of his, of the taking of the duke of Brunswick.
22 Oct. 631. The City of London and the Dean of Westminster.
R. O. [Minute of proceedings in the Council of the city of London.]
"Jovis, xxijo die Octobris, anno r.r. Henr. viij1 xxxvijo:—Item, this day Master Hill, alderman, and Master Hall reported to the court here that they, according to their assignment, were yesterday at the house and ground at Aldrychegate that the Dean of Westm' pretendeth title unto" and there debated the matter with the Dean's delegates, and John Maye, leatherseller, who claims it by the Dean's lease, finally desired to take it "by lease of this city." Thereupon the Court agreed that Mr. Chamberlain shall make such a lease to Maye or some other that all doubt hereafter of any title by the dean or his successors may be taken away. Subscribed: Blakwell.
P. 1.
22 Oct. 632. Van der Delft to Charles V.
viii., No 156.
Since writing on the 14th, has received Granvelle's letters informing him of dealings with the English ambassador at Brussels about the truce and the question of the French ambassadors there whether the Scots should be included. Can ascertain nothing save that these people aim solely at the particular point (fn. n2) which the Emperor knows, and that there is really no question of any truce with France, much less with the Scots; but if assured upon the private points referred to, they might agree to it, although their affairs in Scotland prosper. Supposes that Winchester will have already arrived there to negociate with the French representative, (fn. n3) about whose arrival Vander Delft is continually questioned. Writes further details to Granvelle. London, 22 Oct. 1545.
22 Oct. 633. [York Herald's Account of the Campaign.]
Trin. Coll.
Dublin MS.
Proc. of Soc.
of Antiqu. of
Scotland, i.
iii., 271.
The earl of Harford left Nywcastell 5 Sept., his army appointed to meet at the Standing Stone upon Croeke a More on the 8th inst. From Nywcastell the earl rode to Anwicke on the Saturday, (fn. n4) and thence on Monday to Cheidyngham, and on Tuesday to the foresaid stone on Crackamowre. Camped a mile beyond the stone that night, and on Wednesday passed by Warke in three battles and forded the water. But Twyd rose so suddenly, when the foreward and most of the battle, with their ordnance, had crossed, that some carts and horses were overthrown; and so the rearward and part of the battle camped on the other side, "and all our victuals were dear." This Wednesday I, York Herald, summoned the abbey of Chelsse; and it was battered and entered by day, and by midnight won by the Spaniards. Of the Scots 40 were slain, 5 taken, and 13 escaped by night, two of whom were retaken next day. On Thursday all the camp came to the said abbey and town. The earl of Cumberland had the foreward, with lord Scrope, Sir Robt. Bowes, lord warden of the Middle Marches, and many other knights, and Lord Lattemer, 300 Italians and Albaneses on horseback, 2 ensigns of Spaniards (some of them on horseback) and the Marshall; and in this vanguard was the Master of the Ordnance with his horsemen and 100 handgunners. In the "battaill" were the earl of Herford, lord Lieutenant, lord Stowrton, and Sir Ralph Sadheller, treasurer and counsellor, lord Newell with his father's power and his brother Thomas, my lord Thomas Greymarke, baron Hilton, lord Latemer (sic), Sir J. Doon, Sir J. Norris, Sir Piers a Lighe, Sir Laur. Smyth, Sir J. Brierton, Sir Rog. Lassell, Sir Leonard Beckwithe, Sir Thos. Kolkcrawfft, 3 ensigns of Spaniards (some on horseback), all the Clewoise, and many knights and squires more. The two ensigns of Ieries (Irish) men were sometimes in the battaill and sometimes in the foreward. In the rearward were lord Dacres, lord Connyers, Sir John Markam, Sir Ric. Mann[ers], captain general of the rearward's horsemen, Sir Robt. Constable, and many more knights and esquires. This day victuals were still scanty. The Spaniards and others spoiled the abbey. On Friday, after measurement, it was determined not to fortify the abbey, but to take down the lead and undermine the towers; and my lord Lieutenant rode to view Rockesborow, which is very suitable for fortification, being betwixt two rivers. That day 4 of the Carres, 2 servants of the earl of Angoies and 3 of lord Hume's were taken; and they of Hum castle took a son of Thos. Blanhassett "and another as good as he, and two more." On Saturday (fn. n5) my lord Warden of the Middle Marches, the knight marshal Sir Henry Knywett, lord Newell and almost all the horsemen "Engles, Clewoies, and Italians and Straliotts and Spanards," above 4,000, burned two abbeys, 30 towns, and corn worth l,000l. st., "9 mile Scottes, a mile beyond Mourosse." On Sunday the abbey of Kelse was razed and the victuals came, the carts returning with lead from the abbey. My lord Lieutenant sent two great guns to Barwick, and Sir Robt. Bowes with two other guns to take Dawcowe castle, 2 miles off, and with him 500 horses, 1 ensign of Spaniards and 2 of Irishmen. They took the said tower perforce, five Scots slain and the carts with the lead sent to Warke. "Yesterday, being Saturday," 3 Scots were hanged in this camp and 9 slain in the field; and the Scots slew 3 Italians who "rode out of sight of their fellows." On Monday we left Kelsey abbey and camped at Rockesborowe Mains. Passed then on Tuesday, burning and destroying to Bongedwourthe. On Wednesday we burnt Jedwourd abbey and the Fryers Menore[s] and all towns two miles beyond, as Cavaiers, Denam, Mento, Mantoncrake, Bedrowle, Towres, Newton, Langeton, Hassenden, Barne Helles, Benetts and Ancram, and camped at Egelford; and overthrew the Mosse next morning and burned Chesford, but could not undermine the castle. This Thursday, after burning and destroying, we camped at Warke. There the camp tarried on Friday and Saturday, the carts going for lead to Kelsey and the horsemen burning within a quarter of a mile of Howme Castle. The Scots were driven into the castle, and two who were taken said that the earl of Angoies came there the night before with 10 carts of ordnance, "which I think all was not true." Our men burnt so near the castle that it was sometimes hidden in smoke, and they of the castle shot over us many times but only hurt one horse. My Lord Lieutenant returned to Warke, with his 4,000 horsemen without losing a man, although it was "the most dangerous day that we had." All the lead having been safely brought from Kelsey, on Sunday we passed the Tuyd "on the east marches of Warke," burnt Egland and Colstreme nunnery, and camped at Fogga, "many a town burnt that day." On Monday Downes tower and town were burnt, and all the 50 towns and villages of Downes parish. Next day West Nysbed was burnt, and the castle, "and many more, as it shall appear in another place of this book, the names of all the towns and towers, and abbeys and friaries and nunneries and a charterhouse." This Tuesday we camped at Our Lady church within Scotland, and on Wednesday (fn. n6) took musters and dissolved the army within our enemies' land. At noon came Lord Lattemer to take leave, as many others did, but my Lord Lieutenant "made him knight in the said camp, and with him 12 more, that is to say 13 in all, as it shall appear by their names." That done, all the men departed, "some to Norham castle and town, some to Sir Thomas Grey of Horton's house, some to Banbery, some rode further, and some rode all that night, and carts also." The Spaniards were left at Fosters and Horsley's houses, the Clewoysses in Norhamshire, and the Italians also in that frontier. The Italians shortly after came to Nywcastell and were mustered and sent London wards, and the Albanesses also. Then the Cleywoieses came to Nywcastll and were sent to Dowram, and thence to Bewerley for the winter. And after them the Spaniards horsemen, [of] Charles de Navara (carles the navara), were sent to London, and the footmen placed at Nywcastell, Dowram and Bishope Acqueland. "And thus we departed, after all this ordered by the lord Lieutenant, the 10 day of October and came to London the 22 of the same. God save the King and my lord Prince Edward. Amen."
22 Oct. 634. Christopher van Wemyngham and Others to Baumbach and Sleidan.
R. O. Having a full answer of "Ko. W." (Francis) in France, and departing homewards, your letter dated Callis, 18 Oct., reached us in the night as we came "from the Court of Ko. W." Returned again to "Ko. W." who willed us to hasten to you, and he would send some of his Council. If one of you be departed, the other shall send this letter after him that he may return to Callis, so that we may be sure to find you there. Shany, 22 Oct., between 3 and 4 p.m. Signed: Cristofar Vanwemyngham (Fenningen): John Vannybrowke (Bruno): John Storme (Sturmius).
Translation from German (?), p. 1. Endd.: "Copie of th'ambassadours for the Protestantes l'res in France to their colleages at Calais xxij Octobr. 1545."
22 Oct. 635. John van Nydpruke (Bruno) to [Sleidan].
R. O. We are on the way to be with you at Arde within four days, hastening "to come to you again the ye wrote unto us eftsoons from Callis, dated a Sonday, the xviijth of this present month." Tarry at Callis till our coming; or, if removed thence, tarry where you are. We, Jassper Gamort and Negen Shuke will lodge on Saturday night (fn. n7) at Amyas, on Sunday at Abevell, Monday at Mutterell and Tuesday at Arde, "upon good occasion" to commune with you. If the Marshal ride from you I will send for him again that we may meet at Callis. "Comaunde me to have (qu. have me commended to?) the Marshall, Philpe and Semer." Shane in Pykardye, 22 Oct. 4 p.m.
Translation from German (?), in the same hand as the preceding, p. 1.
22 Oct. 636. Fane and Chamberlain to the Council.
R. O. The conjecture which they wrote in their last of the 17th proved true, for on arriving here at Florines the footmen (being 12 days into their second month, and the horsemen 3 days) say that they cannot move without money. Showed Riffenberghe that this protracting of time might be suspected to be a practice of the enemy, and had consumed the money, albeit they looked for more by Mr. Averie, "laying" to him his negligence in saying nothing about victuals or the lack of powder until now at the enemy's doors. His excuse is that he was led out of the way, and that everywhere he sought for provision but could not get it. Lying here these three days, they have, through a gentleman sent by the bp. of Liege, got six barrels of powder; and Riffenberghe has six more from Andwarpe, and victuals are looked for to-day from Namewrs. As the lands of the lord of this town, Mons. de Florines, are neutral and he good French (and it is secretly understood from the commissaries of the Emperor and bp. of Liege that neither would be greatly offended) we now strain his villages for wagons and corn; and hope to remove hence within two days. We meant to go through the "wood of Dardenia" by the nearest way to Massiers, as Martin van Roose did, but learn that Mons. de Longevale awaits us there with 18,000 footmen and 4,000 horsemen. Also that way passes through a strait place, where only three can march in a rank and carriage of provision would be cumbersome (Martin van Roose, going to friends, carried none); so that we intend to take an easier way, aslant through the wood, touching for two nights upon Hennaulde, and so meet our enemies "in the plain field." A nephew of Mons. de Longevall's, dwelling in this neutral soil and feigning himself Imperial, says that we shall be good enough for the enemy, who are only peasants, "and no men of war of any strange nation among them," but that Mons. de Longevale has written to him that they will fight. Describe various counsels as to passing the wood. We have captured a messenger sent by De Longevale to the bp. of Liege, and (to show how the Bp. secretly favours the King) send herewith the letters of the Bp's answer to De Longevale, and of another borderer on this side, with the confession of the party, who was servant to Mons. de Fresse that lay at Confluence while we were mustering these men. By Riffenberghe's covenant he should ask no more for these 20 ensigns of footmen than 59,000 philips, but he now claims to have powder and shot at the King's cost; howbeit he promises that it may be discounted if your Lordships, who made the bargain, say that he ought not to have it. Thus these people still encroach upon the King and consume his treasure without service. Riffenberghe as yet demands nothing for his horsemen, although their month is out and he received only half a month beforehand for them at Andwarpe. We think that he will now ask for "that half month" and another month beforehand, as they always insist "that the one will be entreated like as the other, what bargain soever be made to the contrary." We have discounted with Eidell Wulfe and Buckholte 3,000 philips apiece that they received at your Lordships' hands at their entertainment; but Riffenberghe says that the 5,500l. delivered to him at Andwarpe for the conduct of the footmen and half month's wages of the horsemen was a free gift and not to be accountable for. Reckon that the 5,500l. Fl. delivered to him by Mr. Vaughan exceeds the sum required by 480l. st., and ask whether to discount it at the dissolution of the army.
Had written thus far when Lucas arrived with the Council's letters of the 14th inst. Delivered Riffenberghe his letter and declared the King's resolution. He said that a gentleman coming with two horses or more always had a page to carry his headpiece, but as the King would not allow it he "must needs forego." Think however that he will take occasion to seek it at the King's hand if the writers do not use their discretion and allow it. He made like answer touching the four months, and seems never to have counted upon obtaining that, although he made the attempt by his messenger Lucas. He thinks that the horsemen might yet employ almost a month in annoying the enemy, and the footmen half a month, unless (as the writers suggested), remembering the shame of turning back at their meeting the enemy, and that the King allows them half a month longer for their return than ever any prince did before, they should be content to serve for the other half month. He urged that the King's resolution should not be discovered to Eydell Wolfe, Buckeholt and the rest until they had been three or four days within the enemy's lands. Intend to save charge by paying them off at Namewre, instead of carrying them to Acone; and now write to Mr. Vaughan (from whom they have received 28,000 cr. and look for Mr. Averie with 30,000l. Fl.) for another 30,000l. Fl., besides such other sums as the Council has "already appointed upon for their gratulation in such sort as they take not occasion to come to seek more at your hands."
Ralph Fane gives humble thanks for his appointment to be the King's chieftain at the entering of this army into the enemy's country. At the breaking up of the army the ordnance shall be conveyed home. Ask whether to discount to Riffenbergh the surplus of the 5,500l. Fl. which he has in hand. Learn that the French king was eight days past feasted by Mons. de Longvale at his house beside Notre Dame de Liesse, and has a great power. Would be glad if he offered battle, trusting to give him the overthrow. Florines, 22 Oct. Signed.
Pp. 9. Add. Endd.: 1545.
R. O. 2. "Memoire de ce que l'homme de Monsr. de Fresse a apporté."
That the King of England, seeing the King send men into Scotland to invade him, decided to raise 20,000 lansquenets to enter France by Champaigne, and so draw off part of the King's army from before Boulloigne and leave it easier to revictual. The captains of this band say that that alone would be sufficient service for this year. They meant to come through Luxemburg and made great provision (described); but the men of Luxemburg petitioned against it and they were induced to come to Liege, where they are in number 9,000 to 10,000 foot and 1,200 to 1,500 horse, mostly in good order, and are camped between Trey and Vese, two leagues from Liege, and have pillaged Vese. A band of their horse has crossed the Muse and is at Argentel one league from Liege. They have six wretched pieces of artillery, but say that the bp. of Liege has promised them eight great pieces and a good sum of money to spare his country. They still await six ensigns of foot, and will make no general muster till all are together. Victuals come to them from all sides; and those who have money pay for half they take, and the rest take it by force. They know not what to do, hearing that the king of France is in arms to resist them, and say that, after the general muster, they will do their worst to the town of Liege, because of the canons there, and return home, making good cheer upon the churches. The Landgrave has sent for them to aid him against the duke of Brnnsuig, who has already taken almost the whole counties of Teclambourg and Hux.
Fr., pp. 2.
22 Oct. 637. Chamberlain to Paget.
R. O. Thanks for Paget's continual favour, as certified by Mr. Mason. The general letter of himself and his colleagues describes proceedings, save that yesternight, hearing of 500 French horse on this side the wood and within three leagues, they sent 300 horse to view them, and see whether the enemies have so felled the wood as spies report. Among those sent was Henry Fane, a cousin of the writer's colleague Mr. Fane, "and sometime my fellow with my old master Sir Thomas Wiatt." They have not yet returned. We have given Henry Fane the oversight of the ordnance, with one Baker, of Calles, as his clerk, who came to us with Lord Cobham's son out of Italy. Both are meet to serve the King; and I am bold to write it, because bound "to advance all such as were belonging to my old master, to whom I was much bound," and because I know you to be the setter forth of all who serve honestly. Florines, 22 Oct. 1545.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.
23 Oct. 638. Prizes taken at Sea.
See Grants in October, No. 45.
23 Oct. 639. Henry VIII. and Charles V.
R. O.
St. P., x. 639.
Commission to Gardiner, Thirlby and Carne to treat with Charles V. or his deputies upon those things which seem necessary in order that the King and he may meet and conclude for the continuance of peace and amity between them. Windesor, 23 Oct. 1545, 37 Hen. VIII.
Lat. Copy, pp. 2. Annotated by Gardiner with the gist of faults which hare been found with two passages. Endd. by Gardiner: "A copy of our commission whereupon did arise their doubt, as is noted in the same."
R. O. 2. Earlier draft of the preceding.
Corrected by Paget, pp. 3. Endd. Copye of a commission to my 1. of Wynchester, &c., for th'entervieu.
R. O. 3. Commission to Stephen bp. of Winchester and Thomas bp. of Westminster to treat with plenipotentiaries of Charles V., for marriages (1) between the said Emperor and Lady Mary, the King's daughter, (2) between Prince Edward, the King's only son, and Lady Mary, daughter of the said Emperor, and (3) between Prince Philip, the Emperor's only son, and Lady Elizabeth, the King's daughter.
Latin. Draft, pp. 3.
23 Oct. 640. Wainscot.
Royal MS.
13. B. i. 284b.
B. M.
Wednesday 5 Nov. 1544, 36 Hen. VIII.:—Bought of Peter Skymhyll, merchant of the Styllyarde, 300 of great wainscots, whereof "he gave me 100 for my labours, riding to Harwyche at Christmas last, with Mr. Doctor Rede, for restitution of the goods saved out of the bark of Lubecke which did perish at Walton at the Naase," and for the other 200 I paid him ready money by my servant John Carvell, Tuesday, 10 Dec. With further entries showing how the writer sold the wainscot to Adam Hubert, joiner, at Holborne Bridge, and received various instalments of the purchase money, the last being 23 Oct. 1545.
23 Oct. 641. Sabyne Johnson to her Husband, John Johnson.
R. O. Glapthorne, 23 Oct. 1545:—Your letter from Tuckeford and 25l. I received today; and am glad the chickens and pigeons came so well to you. "As for the deliverance of the priest's goods it is no matter, for he is not acquit of his felony thereby, but that you may arrest him of the same if it be iij or iiij year hence (as Mr. Brudenell shows me). His ij kye I have still. I pray you take no displeasure with for (sic) it." Haryson says that had he known that you would give 52s. and above, he could have provided more wool. He will go on Sunday to see Mr. Grafon's wool. Shortly I trust to hear that you are in health at Callais. Your two little maidens are well. One load of wool goes up tomorrow, and two went last Monday. I received your letter by the poulter, and also six skeins for my cushions. I never knew Robert Allen other than you write. "Rypen hath buried one of plague, and at Oundell they die still very sore. I fear this town. Our priest is as very a k. (i.e. a knave) as our last was."
Hol., p. 1. Add.: at Callais.
23 Oct. 642. Charles V. to Prince Philip.
viii., No. 158.
Pope and Protestants. Objection to the Pope's proposal to remove the Council from Trent.
Has already written that one reason for his return hither was to bring about peace between England and France. To envoys sent by the Queen of Hungary both parties protested their willingness to treat; but Francis has made up his mind to obtain Boulogne, and Henry is just as determined to retain it, although out of consideration for the Emperor he offers to pay a money indemnity for it. Has instructed the resident ambassadors to arrange at least a suspension of hostilities for six weeks, during which both sides might send plenipotentiaries hither. To this the King of France has agreed, and there are indications that one of his plenipotentiaries will be the Admiral. The King of England's reply is expected daily.
Efforts to obtain redress for his subjects who suffered loss in France during the war. Similar efforts are made in England, and the person sent thither is to pursue the matter diligently. There is also hope of obtaining something when the envoys come to the conference. Can learn nothing of the ships reported to be fitting out in France for the Indies. Ghent, 23 Oct. 1545.
*** A modern transcript is in B.M., Add. MS. 28,594, f. 176. Sp., pp. 5.
23 Oct. 643. Idiaquez to Covos.
viii., No. 157.
Dandino and Marquina have brought the Pope's bull concerning the half first fruits and sale of monastic manors, but the Emperor objects to a clause of the treaty to the effect that if the war against the Protestants does not take place the above shall be restored to the churches and monasteries. The Pope undertakes to pay a subvention of 200,000 ducats and send a contingent of 12,000 foot and 500 horse, but the draft treaty does not mention the further 100,000 ducats and stipulates for the contingent remaining only four months instead of during the whole war. Daily expect the Pope's reply to the Emperor's objections thereupon. Negociations between France and England remain unchanged. The King of England's German troops are now marching in French territory towards Calais. The French evidently wish for peace but do not like to be first to propose it. An important personage is expected from prance shortly. 23 Oct. 1545.
24 Oct. 644. Monkton Chapel.
R. O. Surrender by Thomas Gymlott alias Barbour of his free chapel of Monketon alias Monkenton, Wilts, with all its possessions. Dated 24 (?) Oct. 37 Hen. VIII. Signed: Thorn's Barbar. Seal appended.
Note by Sir Edward North that this was acknowledged before him, 7 December 37 Henry VIII.
Parchment. See Eighth Report of Dep. Keeper of Public Records, App. II., 32.
24 Oct. 645. The Privy Council.
A.P.C., 260.
Meeting at Windsor, 24 Oct. Present: Norfolk, Hertford, Browne, Wingfield, Sadler, Paget, Petre, Riche. Business:—Letter written to Sir Ant. Hungrefforde and Mr. Charles Bulkeley to view the wheat in Wiltshire and, allowing for men's provision, rents and seed corn, and the furniture of the markets, take a note of the rest for the King's service, having special regard to regrators and such as store corn for their private lucre. Like letters to Thos. Vachell and Oliver Welesbourne for Berks, to Geo. Gifforde and John Moore for Bucks, to Mr. Cheseman and Mr. Hayes for Middlesex (wheat and oats), to Sir Robt. Paston and Mr. Chicheley for Cambridgeshire (malt, oats and beans), and to Sir John Pernes and Mr. Chestre for Herts. Letter to my lord of Canterbury declaring the King's pleasure touching the setting up of an image which had been plucked down by his Majesty's injunction, the abolishing of "a certain making of Holy Water used about St. John's tide" and the taking down of an image "called Our Lady of Pitye in the Pew, in consideration of idolatry done unto the same by the common people." Letter to my lord Chancellor touching the adjourning of Parliament from Windsor to London and the despatch of strangers coming from the North. Letter to my lord of Surrey to consider how to win the new French fortress beside Bullen, and if it seem feasible to ask aid of Calais and Guisnes. Letter to Lord Cobham and the Council at Calais to despatch all extraordinaries immediately after the enterprise at Bullen or Surrey's advertisement that their aid is not required. Warrant to my lord Chancellor to deliver 5,000l. upon bills signed by Winchester, Gage, Riche, Rous and Rither, or any two of them, to provide victuals for beyond sea. Letters to my lord Chancellor to send some witty and skilful man to Dover with conduct for 500 horsemen strangers despatched home from the North; and to Mr. Wyngfelde to provide passage for 500 or 600 such horsemen.
24 Oct. 646. Sir Gawen Carew.
Add. Ch.
B. M.
Deed of sale by Sir Gawen Carew and Mary his wife to John Frye, for 400l., of the manors of Whytewell and Farewaye, Devon, late parcel of possessions of the late marquis of Exeter, and the advowson of Farewaye rectory. Dated 24 Oct. 37 Hen. VIII. Signed. Gawyn Carew: Marey Gwldeford Carew. Sealed.
Lat. Parchment.
Add. Ch.
B. M.
2. Indenture between the aforesaid Gawen and Mary and John Frye of Grees Inne, Midd., 22 Oct. 37 Henry VIII., bargaining the said sale. Signed and sealed by Frye.
Add. Ch.
B. M.
3. Contempory copy of grant to Sir Gawen Carew of the manors of Whytewell and Farewaye, &c., Westm. 18 Oct. 37 Hen. VIII.
Paper roll of 15 leaves written on the one side only.
Add. Ch.
B. M.
4. Original grant as above. With Great Seal attached.
Lat. Parchment.
24 Oct. 647. Baumbach and Sleidan to Henry VIII.
R. O. In pursuance of what he said to them last at Windesor (on the 9th inst.) touching their assembly at Calais and Ardres, wrote at once to their companions in France, and, soon afterwards, departed from his Court and and came to Calais on Sunday last, 18th inst., the day which they had assigned to their companions to be at Ardres or else to send the answer of the King of France. Only today received the answer, which is that their companions put forward the writers' message and made all diligence to advance the assembly; but could do nothing, and have therefore taken leave of the King, and this is the fifth day of their return towards Germany. Being commanded by his premier Secretary, before they left Court, to send the answer which they should receive from their companions and wait here for his Majesty's reply, they beg him, if he has any message by them to the Princes and States, to despatch it as soon as possible; for, now that their companions are departed and all is broken, they have nothing to do here. Calais, Saturday, 24 Oct. 1545.
I, the Landgrave's marshal, beg that we may be despatched at once; for, because of troubles in the country, and for my master's affairs, I am pressed to make all haste possible. Signed: H. Hoffmarsschalck Lois v. B ss'; Joannes Sleidanus.
French, pp. 3. Add.: Au Roy.
24 Oct. 648. Sleidan to Henry VIII.
R. O. Is much grieved that nothing has come of the matter for which they were sent to him, whether by the obstinacy of the other party or because others of greater authority than their princes are treating this affair; but is sure that Henry will never admit anything to the detriment of their states (quod nostris ordinibus detrimento ease queat) whose wish to settle the war was indeed great. Your Majesty warned us in conversation in what danger they are; but they are determined, for the defence of the truth and of their cause, at which the world rages, to shirk no danger, trusting that God, who for twenty five years and more has made sport of all the counsels of the adversaries, will now also dissipate their bloody designs. Calais, 24 Oct. 1545.
Lat. Hol., pp.2. Add. Sealed. Endd.: Th'ambassadours for the Protestantes to the Kinges Majestie and Mr. Paget, seer., xxiiijo Octobr., 1545.
24 Oct. 649. Sleidan to Paget.
R. O. I wrote on the 19th, and today for the first time we have had news of our companions, who, after having laid our message before the King of France and received his answer, have taken leave and are returning into Germany, and send to us to follow them forthwith; but, because you told us to wait here for the King's answer, we will do so, and beg your intercession with him for our immediate despatch. If the King will write or send anything to our Princes and States we will make it our business. The town of Strasburg is one of the greatest of this confederation of the Protestants, and it were expedient, in case the King should cause anything to be written to our Princes, to address a letter about it to that town (of which I am servant, as also of the whole Protestant League), with superscription Supremo Senatui Reipublicœ Argentinensis, &c.
I am very sorry that the affair is broken, and think that if our Princes had expected this they would never have meddled therein. We have known for some time that others, whose authority perhaps lowers (rabaisse) that of our states, are meddling therein, and I wish to tell you privately that, in the French Court, it has been said that the King of England accords to the Emperor a truce for some time and promises to send some of his Council to the Emperor to treat of it more fully; and that, for this cause, the Emperor had sent to obtain from the King of France what your King had already consented to. If this is true our Princes were ill advised to meddle. I can affirm nothing, but, because of my devotion to the King and the kindness which you have shown me, I disclose this in all friendship. Calais, Saturday, 24 Oct. 1545.
P.S.—The journey of the bp. of Winchester to the Emperor will put our Princes in suspicion and much confirm what I have declared of the Court of France. I beg that we may be despatched, for the Landgrave's Marshal, and I also, must hasten.
French. Hol., pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd.
24 Oct. 650. Fane and Chamberlain to Paget.
R. O. Beg him to signify the King's pleasure so amply that they may make a good end with these people. Thought to find Riffenbergh "different from the common sort of Almaignes" but now see that "there is no trust to be had in them." Pacts and persuasions have alike failed; and the writers beg Paget's intercession that the King may not blame them. "Whereas we well hoped to have brought his Majesty victory we shall now come home (if we do, according to their menaces made us) God knoweth how." Florines, 24 Oct. 1545. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd.
25 Oct. 651. Baumbach and Sleidan to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., x. 610.
Wrote yesterday, 24th inst, of the departure of their companions from the French Court; but tonight have letters from them, written at Chauny in Picardy on the 22nd, containing better news. Eight days ago, on arriving here on the 18th and finding no news from their companions, they wrote in haste praying their companions to make every effort for the assembly to discuss affairs, showing them that Henry was inclined to all that might promote the public weal, and to gratify their Princes and States. Thereupon their companions, although already on the way homewards, made such representations to the French king that he permitted them to repair to Ardres and said that he would send after them some notable men of his Council, there to treat. They write that this night they will sleep at Abbeville, and on Tuesday the 27th will be at Ardres. The writers thank God for this, and beg Henry, for the common weal of Christendom, the peace of Europe and the love of their Princes and States, to condescend to it and send men to treat. Will so apply themselves that he will have cause to be satisfied with their faith and loyalty. Calais, Sunday, 25 Oct., 2 p.m., 1545. Signed.
French. In Sleidan's hand, pp. 3. Add. Endd.
25 Oct. 652. Sleidan to Paget.
R. O. I sent word yesterday touching the answer from our companions; but tonight are come other news, as you will learn by our letter to the King. We rejoice much, and hope that you may be one of those whom the King will send hither. We pray you to commend the affair to the King, and that his envoys may be despatched soon. Calais, Sunday, 25 Oct., 9 p.m. 1545.
French. Hol., p. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd.
25 Oct. 653. Vaughan to the Council.
R. O. Yesterday delivered to Mr. Averey, commissary, 30,000l. Fl. to be conveyed to Mr. Fane and Mr. Chamberleyn for a new month's wages to the Almains; and yesternight letters from Fane and Chamberleyn signified that, upon receipt of the Council's letters by Lucas they were resolved to give the Almains but two months' wages and the third for return, and, to make full payment within the said two months, they required, over and besides the said 30,000l. Fl. sent yesterday, to have at Namure, within twelve days, other 30,000l. Fl. and also 10,000 cr. or 12,000 cr. besides, in all 33,800l. Fl.
As he wrote in last letters, has received 82,333l. 6s. 8d. Fl. of the Fowker, and by exchange out of England (made by my lord Chancellor) 16,896l. 12s. Fl.; and has paid to a captain of the duke of Lowenberghe 1,000 gilderns, which make 166l. 13s. 4d., to the Commissaries 28,000 cr. which make 8,866l. 13s. 4d., to Thos. Gresham for Calles 31,827l. 9s. 11d., and to Mr. Averey yesterday 30,000l.; leaving 28,369l. 2s. 1d. Fl. Lacks, therefore, 5,430l. 17s. 11d. and, as twelve days is a very short time, and the Council have not answered his last letters sent in post to Calles, he must essay to get it upon credence to be repaid in London; for, if not paid at the day the Almains (being unreasonable people) will look for another month's wages, and it is better to abide the loss in exchange (which will be under 500l.) than pay 30,000l. for another month. Must make the exchange today or tomorrow at furthest.
Yesterday received letters dated in Frankfort, 15th inst., showing that the duke of Saxon, Duke Maurice, the duke of Lunenberghe and the Landisgrave are departed with a great army to meet the Duke of Brunswike. Expects news of the battle within eight days. Men think that Brunswike will not be able to resist the Landisgrave. Andwerp, 25 Oct.
Herewith sends letters from Sir Ralph Fane and Mr. Chamberleyn.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Endd.: 1545.
25 Oct. 654. Vaughan to Wriothesley and Paget.
R. O. On receiving their letter from my lord of Winchester, together with a letter to Chr. Haller, sent for Haller, but he was sick in bed. If well, he will, doubtless, gladly come with the writer into England; and as to his suit for restitution of his woad, he himself thought it good prize, seeing that the Scots had it four or five days before our Englishmen. Signified, yesterday, to the Council that the King's Commissaries have sent for 33,000l. Fl. over and besides the 28,000 cr. And the 30,000l. sent them by Mr. A very two days past, and that he has not so much by 5,000l. and more, As they require the money within ten days, he will try to get it by exchange payable in London upon the credit of Sir John Gresham, for it is better to sustain the loss by exchange than be troubled with payment of a new month's wages, 30,000l. Exchange with England is at 25s. 4d. Fl. for the pound, and money scarce, much having been conveyed into France, England and elsewhere. Cannot change the valued gold that he has unless he would take stivers, the telling whereof would never be done, so that he must send the valued gold to the Commissaries. We look every hour to hear of the Landisgrave's meeting with the duke of Brunswike. Andwerp, 25 Oct.
Hol., pp. 2 Add. Endd.: 1545.
25 Oct. 655. Vaughan to Paget.
R. O. Yesternight, received letters from Sir Ralph Fane and Mr. Chamberleyn requiring 5,430l. 17s. 11d. Fl. more than he has in hand, as appears by the account he presently sends to the Council. As the Council have not answered his last letters, nor given order for money, and the Commissaries wish 33,800l. Fl. sent to Namur within twelve days (or else the Almains must have another month's wages, 30,000l. Fl.) he is driven to take up the 5,430l. 17s. 11d. by exchange to be repaid in London. It is better to bear the small loss in exchange than lose 30,000l. Fl.; and he begs, for his credit, that it may be honestly paid in London. Cannot be rid of Haller. Some shift must be made with him. Will send all his money by Mr. Dymock to Namur, and, within ten days, be ready to depart to England if the King's basin be then ready. Has the Emperor's passport for the transportation of the King's jewels to Calles. Andwerp, 25 Oct.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd.: 1545.
25 Oct. 656. Fane and Chamberlain to the Council.
R. O. This morning Ryffenbergh and his captains desired to speak with us, and declared that, hearing that the King would no longer be served by them than the end of this month, of which not past twelve days remain, they could not attack the enemy, lest, their service ended, they should be imputed as traitors; and they requested money for this whole second month. We answered that we expected it hourly (and we marvel at Mr. Avery's delay, who went for it 8 days past), and so "held them up" with fair language and they departed satisfied, promising to persuade the commonalty. Immediately afterwards they brought into this abbey where we are lodged two ensigns of footmen, whom they distributed in our chambers, not suffering us to depart further than from one chamber to another, "insomuch that we stand in danger of our lives." Bearer can tell things which we cannot well write. Florenes, 25 Oct. 1545. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.


  • n1. This is probably an error of the translator, confusing the Elector of Saxony with Ernest duke of Brunswick, who commanded his forces.
  • n2. The proposed interview.
  • n3. D'Annebault.
  • n4. Sept. 5th.
  • n5. Sept. 12th.
  • n6. Sept. 23rd.
  • n7. Oct. 24.