Henry VIII: May 1533, 1-10

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 6, 1533. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1882.

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May 1533, 1-10

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424. Francis I. to the Cardinal Of Tournon.
Has received his letter from Rome, of the 17th ult., in answer to the King's letter to him and cardinal Grammont, about the affair of the king of England, and the conversation they had with the Pope in accordance with their instructions. Perceives that his Holiness is displeased with what the king of England has done. Desires him to give the Pope to understand that he must not consider it strange that he supports the king of England, as their love is such that no man can separate them, and Francis considers his affairs as his own. The Cardinal must remind the Pope of the place which the king of England holds in Christendom, and that it is more profitable to his Holiness and the Holy See to have him for a friend and devout son of the Church than to irritate him and drive him to disobedience by bad treatment.
Asks the Pope, for love of him, to prevent this danger by not allowing any new step to be taken until the interview between the two Kings. Will consider any outrage done to him there as done to himself.
Desires the Cardinal to do what he can for this object, both with the Pope and in other quarters, and to send word of the Pope's answer. , May 1533.
Fr., copy, pp. 2. Endd. : Lettre dressee par commandement du Roy pour Mons. le cardinal de Tournon. Two other endorsements in English.

Hist. MSS. Com. Report VI. 444.
425. The Earl Of Derby to Cromwell.
Many of his (Derby's) friends and neighbours and servants came to London at this present time, according as they do universally, forth of all other parts of the realm, partly to fyn, and the other part to be put in the order to be made knyghts by the King's grace or by his assigneys. Asks him to set forth such as he (Derby) shall give to him their namys foloyng, which shall be vere mete for the order to be made by the King's grace with the sworde, and the residue to be put to their fynes with his (Cromwell's) favor.
1 May.
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426. Sir J. Russell to Cromwell.
I have written at divers times to you to move the King for paling More park, and got no answer from you. This day I received a letter from Mr. Herytage, who had moved the King in the matter, and that I never received money from the issues of the More. The King was marvellously surprised who should receive it, thinking that I did. Put him out of that mind, as you know the contrary. Herytage writes that the King will speak with you and him of the matter. The paling of the park will be 1,500 poles, and if the charge were not so great I would bear it out of my own purse. I have felled 200 oaks for the purpose, and if they are not shortly taken in hand they will not cleave so well as now. The garden is in great ruin. In my lord Cardinal's days it cost him 40l. or 50l., or 100 marks a year. Since it has been in the King's hands, it has cost 40 or 50 marks a year. It is utterly destroyed. All the "knotts" are marred. It will soon be past recovery. If the King will allow 8d. a day, I will give 6d. a day out of my own purse. The fish there has also been chargeable to me. If the King were to see it in ruin as it is now, he would lay it to my charge. Charleywood, 1 May. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. : Right worshipful.
1 May.
Royal MS. 18 B. VI. 190. B. M.
427. [The Regency Of Denmark to James V.]
"* quidpiam cognitu dignum ac necessarium serenissim tu Majestati diceret significandum." It seemed good to the magistracy (magistratui) to write to your Majesty, and the duty of doing so was entrusted to us. Our Prince dying, has left a young son, who will reign by the appointment of the magistrates when he grows up. Meanwhile we offer to confirm the old treaty between the two countries, and will act in as friendly a way towards Scotland as during the King's life, expecting your Majesty to do the like, both in public affairs and in case of citizens (fn. 1) of this kingdom visiting Scotland. We hope for a favorable answer. Haffni, 1533, kal. Maii.
Lat., copy, p. 1, imperfect, and crossed out, with gross transcriber's errors.

Nero, B. III. 106. B. M.
428. Henry VIII. to [Magistrates Of Lubeck].
Supposes that his affection and favor could not be more worthily bestowed than upon his correspondents. Thanks them for their letters to himself and his councillor, Thomas Cromwell, and for their zeal to do him service as explained by the bearer, which corresponds to the King's trust and expectation. No prince could be more desirous of their commodity and honor. What they have written about the ease with which the crown of Denmark might be attained, the zeal and love of the noblemen and the nation, and especially of a certain great man, towards the King, and concerning the means of repressing their adversaries, is very circumspectly considered. It must be manifest to all the world that their adversaries, for their own safeguard, and from a desire to extend their borders, intend to subdue the said realm, which is not fully established, and afterwards the whole adjacent country. It is easy to perceive how painful this servitude will be by the cruelties and spoiling they have already carried on in the realm. The Council or Diet to be held between the Brabanders, Hollanders, and their city seems intended to the hurt of this noble dominion on the pretext of reconciling the borderers. Desires them to do all they can to stop the Diet, or at least to dissolve it before anything is concluded, as "our" (your) adversaries purpose nothing else than to bring the Lubecks, being strong and free-hearted people, into their snares, by fair promises. Approves of their advice concerning Denmark, the accomplishment of which, as they say, requires speed. Though the thing offers a great occasion and facility, it must also be considered how a man may keep what he wins, how he may remedy unlooked-for chances, what friends he may trust, to which party he should adhere, and what grounds there are for continuance. Requests, therefore, that some discreet person of that city, having sufficient authority of the other great men, and perfectly instructed of the whole matter, may be sent to communicate with him, and he will take the counsel which seems most profitable and expedient. Has assigned to them an annual pension of (fn. 2) as a little token of gratitude.
Draft, pp. 5.
2 May.
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429. Adam Becansaw to Cromwell.
I have received your letter in favor of Chr. Banks for his preferment to the fruits of my benefice of Topsfeld. Will let him have it at a suitable price. Has been offered for it 40 marks. Will let Banks have it at 24l., he paying all charges. In Richmond I shall take sureties for my payment. But for you I would not have let it for less than 40 marks. Chester, 2 May.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Councillor.
2 May.
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430. Henry Earl Of Essex to Cromwell.
Reminds him of the matter of which he spoke to him. The bearer will show him the evidences of his title according to the proviso. Will keep his promise to Cromwell. Requests him to desire the King to give him licence to enter into the said lands, and also to help him to obtain a writ to find an office after Lord Berners' death. Falkebourne, 2 May. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Master Crumwell.
2 May.
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431. Brian Higden to Cromwell.
Dr. Lee delivered, on Monday, Cromwell's loving letters, dated 20 April. Will do his best to get the conclusions passed in the Convocation here as in that of Canterbury. Begs his favor to the bearer, farmer of a little parcel of the prebend of Wetwang, who has been dispossessed by a gentleman of this country, though he has paid 4l. or 5l. a year more for his farm than others did before him, "for my brother (fn. 3) did enproi (improve?) that prebend by a good sum of money." York, 2 May. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Mr. Thomas Cromwell, councillor unto the King's highness. Endd.
2 May. 432. Archbishop Cranmer.
See Grants in May, No. 7.

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433. Hugh Latimer.
L[atimer] to [Dr. Bagard]?
The reason why you have not moved your parishioners so instantly to pilgrimages as you have to works of charity, arises, as I suppose, for lack of Scripture to bear you out. Therefore I send you one of Dr. Powell's finding, who derived pilgrimages to Master John Shorne, Walsingham, St. Anne in the Wood, from that text in St. Matt. xix. 29, "Every one that hath forsaken houses," &c. The seven sacraments he picked out of Psalm xxii. (xxiii.) Dominus regit me. "Tuus, L."
P. 1.
ii. [Latimer] to "Master M." [Morice].
I would not, Master M., be a tell-tale of my own wrongs. You have known me. I would have Christ our Lady's Saviour. They belie me to have said that Our Lady was a sinner. There is an ancient song in Bristow, in which she is called Salvatrix ac Redemptrix. She might more seemly be called Salvatoris ac Redemptoris mater. If I might have preached at Bristol in Easter, as I was appointed, I would have made "another manner a Christ, and another manner a King," than mine adversaries did ; not a patched Christ and a patched King.
Complains of Hubbardine ; but the bitterness of [Powell?] is worse than Hubbardine. When I was ready to answer both, they had neither place nor time, though they had both time to slander me. The prior of the Black Friars wrote at the suggestion of others before communicating with me, although he had formerly allowed my preaching. But I know the wasp that stings them. If purgatory and pilgrimage were destroyed, they would lose their profits. [The rest of the letter is apparently to the same effect, but is much mutilated.]
Pp. 3.
iii. John Hylsey, D.D., prior of the Friars Preachers, to Dr. Bagard, chancellor of Worcester. (fn. 4)

You remember that in Lent I wrote to you of the great divisions in the town of Bristowe on Latimer's preaching. He spoke against pilgrimages, &c., and the people were not a little offended. I wrote that some thought necessary to preach against him ; but I supposed it best that he should be silent, for fear of further divisions, which has now come to pass. Some thought he should be examined by his ordinary. I have been craftily used in this matter ; but as my bill has now come to your hands, I put all excuse aside. I was led to write, first by the fame I had heard of Latimer before I knew him, which deceived both me and others. Secondly, in his vehement dissuading the abuses of masses, pardons, &c., and of Our Lady being no sinner, I supposed he preached with a view to confound them. Dr. Powell, Master Goodryche, Hyberdyne, the prior of St. James, and I, opposed him in our preaching ; but to no effect, for the people were brought into greater division. Since I have communed with Mr. Latimer, I have heard him preach, and find he is much more against the abuses of the things than the things themselves. As the division among us will not cease, it were well for you to find some other way ; and if Latimer might have your licence to preach, he would open his mind in these matters, that the people should be content and the council of the town be satisfied. But if hereafter he should say anything against the determination of the Church, I shall be more ready to note it than hitherto. Bristol, 2 May.
Pp. 3.
iv. Memorandum that divers men of Bristol are of opinion that letters should be directed by the King's council to the corporation of Bristol, to certify the misbehaviour of Dr. Power [Powell] and others. Mention of Mr. Jubbes as recorder.
v. Memorandum that the dean of Bristol has commanded the curates there not to pray for the King and the Queen ; and when he was asked by the Mayor the reason, stated that he had received an order from the chancellor of Worcester to that effect.
vi. I am advertised from Bristol that Dr. Wilson, chaplain and formerly confessor to the King, has supported Powell and Hyberdyne, and said that when Latimer appealed to the King, he replied, "Mr. Latimer, I am [advertised that ye] have good learning. It were pity but ye [did conduct yourself] much better than ye have, for you ... and to be abjured ; and I will not take [upon me to be] a suitor to the bishops for you, [but leave you to do such] penance as ye have deserved ; [and if ye attempt] such things again ye sha[ll] ... a fagot to burn you ..."
Nos. iv.vi. cover 1 page.
Copies. Mutilated.
[3 May.]
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434. S. Vaughan to Cromwell.
At Tawseter, 10 miles this side Daventry, I overtook Rob. Frelove and Ric. Woodwarde, a goldsmith of West Chester, a man who has often been in Ireland, Ralph Pykmer, of Middlewich, blacksmith, and Rowland Pikmer, of the same town. They travelled in company, and left Daventry this morning for Coventry. This matter is subtlely compassed. For whereas I told you on the report of Frelove that Heron had promised him that his brother should go with him into Ireland, this was a device to blind Robert that he should never know their purpose till it had taken effect for fear of betraying it. Robert was sent from London alone to Westchester, where Heron told him he should receive instructions. I have obtained knowledge of their purpose. They intend to leave Robert at Coventry, to go to Westchester ; and, being assured of his coming there, they shall bring to pass through him what he knows nothing about. They fell in with him alone as he was going from London to St. Alban's, and promised to keep his company to Westchester. Woodward is he that is appointed by Heron to convey Robert's matter, because Howgh tells me Woodward dwells at Westchester. At St. Alban's Woodward had letters delivered to him by one Voyter, a gentleman's servant in the court, whose master Ric. Cromwell knows well. Frelove says that a friar is to meet him.
The messenger I send you left Daventry at 6 o'clock this present Saturday, and promises to be with you tomorrow. Send some commission from the King to Westchester for our assistance in that behalf. I will make sure of the persons suspected. On May eve, at 8 o'clock p.m., we left London, and reached Daventry on May Day at 6 o'clock at night. Daventry, Saturday, 6 a.m.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. : One of the King's hon. councillors.
3 May.
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435. Thomas Man, Minorite, lister of the Grey Friars, Lewes, to Cromwell.
Thos. Folks, your servant, has been late at our place in Lewes, to obtain knowledge of a chalice that was late in the house of one Robert a Smyzth, of Framfield. At his coming, our warden, John Parker, was away at the town of Winchelsea at the visitation of Dr. Quikhopps. The vice-warden could give no answer ; but my brethren say that about Passion week one of two chalices customably used in our place was not brought forth ; and missing this chalice I heard the warden say he had lent it, but to whom they knew not. It was brought home on the 27th April, and next day was on the altar. You shall know the particulars when the warden returns. 3 May.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Right worshipful.
3 May.
Add MS. 28,585, f. 239. B. M.
436. Dr. Ortiz to Charles V.
Repeats his request for copies of intimations of the brief published in Flanders, and that issued when the Emperor was at Bologna. Is much astonished to hear that the King has been feeling his way towards marrying that Ana publicly, in spite of the inhibition. If he thinks the inhibition valid, this is manifest heresy and schism, and shows the complete dominion the enemy has gained over him.
The Emperor need not wait for any further declaration of the Pope, to chastise such a public sin. If it is true that the Pope is going to Nice or Turin to see the French King, it is not likely he will give the sentence in the principal cause before he goes. By virtue of the briefs of 1530 and 1531 any ecclesiastical judge can declare the King, his Council, and Anne excommunicate, and the kingdom interdicted. This declaration could be put up in many places not far from France and England ; and this might cause the kingdom with justice to rise against the King ; but the Ambassador (Cifuentes?) does not think it right to write to Flanders that this should be done without the Emperor's orders, and has desired Ortiz to write thus to his Majesty. Praises the Ambassador's diligence. Rome, 3 May 1533.
Sp., pp. 3. Modern copy.
4 May.
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437. Rowland Lee to Cromwell.
I have been twice with my lord of Durham and the prior of Durham. The latter will not subscribe the questions, but says his proctor will do what shall be to my contentation. On this day, 4 May, the Bishop has answered me that he has not yet resolved what opinions he shall take, but he will send his servant to the King with his mind on Saturday next. I shall know more by his chancellor at York, but no subscription will be made. I go to Fountains. My lord of Rutland has written to me concerning the abbot of Rywax, trusting I have received the King's letter for that purpose. It has not arrived. I trust Mr. Lawson will certify you of the spoil of the ships by the Scots. Seasonable weather, corn cheap, and the people quiet. Aukland, die quo supra.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : To my most loving friend, Mr. Thomas Crumewell.
4 May.
R. O. St. P. VII. 454.
438. Boner to Cromwell.
Thanks him for his kindness, of which Dr. Bagard, "your chancellor," has written. Wrote to him from Bologna on the 2nd. Found many errors in the Pope's original brief. Among others there is one which choketh the Pope, and that is that the Queen's grace now, without any monition at all, was by him involved in the censure. Many here are greatly offended, and blame the Pope for his proceedings against the King. Sends Cromwell a copy, and a letter of congratulation to the Queen's highness. Hopes that Cromwell will set forth his service with the Queen. Desires commendations to Norfolk and others. Rome, 4 May 1533.
Hol. Add.
4 May.
Harl. MS. 6,148, f. 22. B. M. Cranmer's Letters, 240.
439. Cranmer to the Abbot Of Westminster.
Understanding that the place of a vicar is void within the college of St. Martin's, London, of which the Abbot is dean, by the death of Master Frampton, recommends the bearer, Sir John Smythe, one of the same college. Mortlake, 4 May.
Copy, from Cranmer's letter book.
Lansd. 1,045, f. 61. B. M. 2. Later copy by Strype.
4 May.
Camusat, 8.
440. Cardinal De Tournon to Francis I.
The Emperor, both at his going to and at his return from Germany, has told the Pope that if the king of England did this injury to his aunt, he would do wonders in order to make war on him, saying that he has sufficient means of doing him harm, especially because of his friendship with the king of Scotland and the Scotch. He has said so much about it, that the most part of the cardinals and people of this court hold that war will take place on pain of the Emperor's being the most infamous prince in the world, seeing what he has said. Is of opinion that he will put his hand, neither to his sword nor into his purse.
Extract from a letter of 4 May 1533. Fr.
5 May.
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441. Renold Lytylprow, Mayor of Norwich, (fn. 5) to Cromwell.
The abbot of St. Alban's has sent me a letter showing your goodness to him, and the cheer you made him at supper in your own house, with all music pleasant. I desire a fee of a castle in Wisbeach, in the gift of the bishop of Ely. I send you a letter for the abbot of Langley for his preferment. Never had any man a gentler heart. Norwich, 5 May.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Of the Council. Endd.
5 May.
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442. Sir Nicholas Wadham to Cromwell.
Whereas certain trouble has been incurred for the foundation of a certain chapel in Columpton founded by one Lane, against which much opposition has been made by certain persons : begs credence for the bearer, his son's servant, and asks him to write a letter to Sir Will. Courtenay that he may be released from a bond he was obliged to give for his good abearing. Merefeld, 5 May. Signed.
P. 1. The writing faded and gall-stained. Add. : Of the Council. Endd.
5 May.
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443. Sir T. Wentworth to Cromwell.
Ric. Cooke, who has done what he can to get the lease of Elmesett, &c., out of my hands, is now coming up to do what he can to obtain it. Netilstede, 5 May. Signed. P. 1. Add. : Of the Council. Endd.
5 May.
Camusat, 126.
444. Francis I. to the Bailly Of Troyes.
Wrote lately by Guy de Fleury, who is on his way to Scotland, that letters in cipher had come from Italy, and that if they contained anything concerning the king of England they should be forwarded. There was nothing of the kind in them, but since then he has received a packet from the cardinal de Tournon, in reply to instructions lately sent to him and to cardinal Grammont. Sends the letter, and a copy of his answer, to be shown to the king of England. Will make any alteration he wishes in the answer. Does not think the King should be irritated with the Pope, or despair, by reason of his answer to the Cardinals, but rather show that he desires the affair to be decided at the interview between his Holiness and the French king, remitting it entirely to the latter. Intends to act at the interview so that Norfolk and the others who are there on the King's part may see how much he has his affairs at heart. Wrote recently about the person whom the Pope has sent to him and the king of England concerning a General Council, and forwarded a copy of the articles brought by him. Suggests that Henry should say to the said person that the Council is a matter of too much importance to admit of an immediate answer, and he can therefore return to France, when Francis can say to him that this and other matters can be discussed more amply at his approaching interview with the Pope. If Henry approves of this, the English and French ambassadors at Rome can be told to speak thus to the Pope. Couldray, 5 May 1533.
5 May.
R. O. Pocock, II. 471.
445. Karne and Boner to Henry VIII.
Had notice of a pretended monitory brief issued by the Pope at the suit of the Imperialists, Nov. 15. On which Benet used all dexterity with the Pope to discover if it were passed, but, finding various errors in it, urged him to withdraw it. The Pope also referred himself to the law, saying if it were in any way unlawful he would reform it. It has been deferred, and they are yet uncertain what the Pope will do. Rome, 5 May 1533. Signed.
In Boner's hand. Add. Endd.
6 May.
Add. MS. 28,585, f. 241. B. M.
446. Martin Perez De Cumelu to Covos.
The mad conduct of the king of England has thrown cold water on the interview between the French king and the Pope. The Pope has felt this conduct deeply, especially as his principal object in seeking the interview was to find some means of accommodating the affair (dar medio en esta causa). He can now judge what little result can come from dealing with this inconstant people. * * * Rome, 6 May 1533.
The opinion of wise men in the court is, that, considering the disrespect and disobedience of the king of England to the Holy See, the case must be pressed more than ever ; the Pope pronounce sentence, and proceed against him as far as to deprive him of his kingdom. The Emperor should get into communication with some great lord in the kingdom, and arrange a marriage with the Lady, his cousin (sobrina). By this means he will be able to make war at little expense, as the people will probably help. This is thought here to be the best way to make the King pay to both these Princes for his offence to God, and not to cause the Scotch to invade England, as the people would be displeased at that in consequence of their ancient enmity.
Sp., pp. 4. Modern copy.
6 May.
R. O. Letters, 240.
447. Cranmer to Cromwell.
I understand that the prior of St. Gregory's, Canterbury, is willing to resign, and you desire me to accept a person in his room whom you shall name. I have resolved to prefer to this office, and all similar ones when void, a member of the same house, if he be fit ; if not, the fittest I can find. Let me know the name of the person whom you would prefer. The bearer of your letter showed me that you wrote for him and in his favor, and this moveth me to take longer respite. I trust you will oppose the unseasonable ambition of men of the Church, and consider how unreasonable a thing it is for any man to labor for his own promotion. Mortlake, 6 May. Signed.
Add. : Of the Council.
6 May.
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448. John Hawlle, farmer of Little Horseley, to Cromwell.
I thank you for the kindness you showed me when I was last in London. The town of Boxstede has spoken to me of the reparation of their chancel, which is in great decay ; and because the prior of Little Horseley was the patron and parson there, and had the profits, he was wont to find all manner of reparations. It is now in the King's hands ; and therefore I reported the matter to you. The crown of the high window of the chancel is broken and ready to fall, and the pillars of the windows are in great decay. Both the sides are "phynnyd" in two places, and the chancel cannot continue long without reparation. The priest did not minister in it the space of a month, until Timothy Meffyng, the farmer there, did mend it a little. As you have the rule and oversight of it, the town desires you to see to the reparation as the prior did before. 6 May.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Right worshipful.
7 May.
Harl. MS. 6,148, f. 78. B. M.
449. Abbot Of Waltham to [Cranmer].
Has received his letters, and given credence to his servant. Understands that the prior of St. Gregory's, Canterbury, of which house Cranmer is founder, intends to resign. Asks him to give the place to John Symkyns, cellarer of "my house of St. Bartholomew's." Master Cressey will declare to Cranmer his qualities. Waltham, 7 May.
Copy, p. 1. From Cranmer's letter book.
7 May.
R. O. St. P. IV. 642.
450. Sir George Lawson to Cromwell.
Has received of Dr. Lee 3,000l. Next month's wages begin 29 May. Has an ill life with the garrison when money is not ready. As to the ships of corn taken on Easter eve by a Scotch bark, of which he wrote to the King, there were 15 chased off Scarborough, of which 12 were taken ; 5 of them were laden with corn from Newcastle, one from Beverley, another from Norfolk. The other three were but ballast ships, and their mariners escaped and came on land at Scarborough. Was afraid there had been more taken ; but of 11 ships which were in Humber and at Scarborough, six have arrived at Berwick in safety, and other three are yet in Humber. The Scots expect to have peace by Mons. de Bevis, who is now in Scotland. Moray still lies in Teviotdale, but will depart on Sunday. The council of Scotland is trying to raise a tax to put garrisons on the Borders, in case De Bevis do not bring peace. The king of Scots was last week at Lauder and Mewros. The archbishop of St. Andrew's is committed to ward at St. Andrew's Castle in keeping of the earl of Rothes ; some say because he would lend the King no money, others because he had written letters contrary to the King's mind. At York, at my departure northwards, 7 May. Signed.
7 May.
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451. Rowland Lee to Cromwell.
According to the King's pleasure I have been twice with my lord of Durham. The first time I declared to him the King's pleasure according to my credence, the order taken in the province of Canterbury, and the instruments material for the accomplishment thereof. "After long tract" he asked me whether I would command him, in the King's behalf, to be at the convocation at York, as he had been ordered to be in readiness for the Scots with his council there. I said I had given my message, and it was the King's expectation to have his assistance in his cause. He knew the King's pleasure, and I had no other commandment. He said it were better for him to be away than to do no good, "praying me to return from Durham by him again." At my return, in communication of the matter, "I demanded his opinion, and that he would subscribe the conclusion." He said he was not resolved, and that as he was of the lady Katharine's counsel at the beginning he would not open his mind, but send it to the King by his own servant, according to his conscience. After he had more effectually resolved, he would send me his further mind ; he would not subscribe. I am sorry to see so little stay towards the Prince our master's honor. It is no marvel that princes should think strangely, when we ourselves do so by him by whom we are supported. Thus I write you secretly. Would God we were of one mind, for this diversity will hurt us. I have written to you of my lord of Rutland's cause.
I have delivered the King's money to Mr. Lawson. There wants 8s. of it. I have received your letter. I will apply my diligence to the best purpose, and spend body and goods to serve my natural lord. Yesternight I came to York, and have consulted Dr. Marshall, and joined him and Mr. Leghton with the other. He is tractable, if by their learning and debate in the cause he may discharge his conscience. The abbot of Fountains, I trust, will be good. I come towards Byland, Newburgh, and Rywax. The abbot of Welbeke will not fail to do the best he can, so also the abbot of St. Mary's, but he is not learned. Dr. Lee, my kinsman, writes to me in favor of my lord of St. John's, for business in the convocation. I did not see your letters in that behalf. Mr. Bedell writes to me for possession of his archdeaconry, but sends no mandate for the chapter. York, Wednesday, 7 May.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. : My loving friend.
7 May.
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452. Cuthbert Marshall to Cromwell.
Has received his letter recommending him to urge in Convocation the passing of certain conclusions here, and that he should conform his opinion to other great clerks in the said two matters. Has considered the subject long, and informed his conscience both by collocations of Scriptures and by the testimony of doctors. Is still open to conviction if he can find arguments of greater authority, and will consider the books sent hither, and reason with the King's clerks now come hither, as he has informed Dr. Lee, and return a conscientious opinion. York, 7 May. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Mr. Thos. Cromwell, one of the King's most honorable Council. Endd.
7 May.
R. O.
453. Edward Leyghton, Priest, to Cromwell.
On Monday last, 5 May, I was at St. Agatha's abbey, half a mile from Richmond, where the lord Scrope of Bolton lieth, to whom I gave the King's letters. He said, as far as he can remember, he never received any letters from the King or his Council on the matter since the Judges were with him for the said cause ; that he never knew but that the King would have given him in exchange land of the value of his land, which the King desired ; and he trusts that he will still do so, and not buy it for a sum of money, seeing that a greater sum of money with him will shortly be spent, and he has nothing to live upon except his inheritance ; but he is at the King's commandment, and will send some of his counsel to attend upon the King and make an end.
The same day I was at Hornby Castle to deliver the King's letters to lord Conyers, who would not speak with me himself, as he was in bed with the gout. I therefore sent the King's letter to him by one of his servants. He sent to me a young gentleman named Bigot, who was in the Cardinal's service, to the effect that the feoffees of his lands plainly showed him that the parsonage of Rudby was never lawfully impropriated to the Cardinal's College in Oxford, now Henry VIII.'s College, and if tried by law it would be found so ; and, notwithstanding any grant made by him, he considers himself patron of the living, and owes no such money to the College as the King commands him to pay. Therefore he declines to pay the money into my hands. Considering his just title he should have been hurt therein if he had complied with the King's letters. Now, considering the King's strict commands, he will repair to the King as shortly as God will send him help. This, you know, has been his answer for three years, and therefore some other remedy must be found. I fear be will make the gout an impediment for his appearance during his life. For furtherance of the King's weighty cause here in Convocation, Dr. Lee has informed you, as I think, more fully than I can. Yoricke, in haste, 7 May.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. : Of the Council.
7 May.
Add. MS. 28,585, f. 244. B. M.
454. Count Of Cifuentes to Charles V.
Was told by the Pope that he had letters from his Nuncio [in England] of April 12, saying, that the King had married "la Anna" publicly, with all the usual ceremonies. A few days previously he had convoked the Estates for this purpose, and many opposed the King in both Houses (?) (asi de unos como de otros) ; and this was in the first Parliament. At the second the same thing happened, and the King rose to his feet, bidding those of his party help him, as he wished to marry. The opposition of the other party was at last overcome by money, promises, and threats. To give a colour to what the King wished to do, it was determined that all cases of tithes, marriages, or wills should be decided in the kingdom before ordinary judges, of whom the chief was the principal Archdeacon (archidiano mayor) of London. (fn. 6) The judge of the first and second appeal was the archbishop of Canterbury, with certain prelates. The King summoned the Archbishop, and told him that he should marry (casasse) this Anna. The dukes of Norfolk and Suffolk were sent to intimate this to the Queen.
The Pope seems indignant at this (afea este caso). But on pressing him to give sentence, as he must see that moderation was useless, he said that the Emperor could remedy it. Replied that his Holiness was bound to do justice and decide the case, and that the Emperor was wise and powerful, and knew what he ought to do. He wished to know, before he gave sentence, whether the Emperor would interfere (se pornia de hecho en esta cosa). Made the same reply as before, that the Emperor would probably do nothing until the Pope had executed justice. Wishes to know what he ought to say, as the Pope will make no declaration till he knows the Emperor's wishes. Said that as the King had acted so shamelessly in marrying, if he found the same mildness in the Pope as he had done hitherto he would act in the same way in future in all matters touching the Holy See. He has given orders that the principal cause shall be seen to immediately, but I think he will delay till he knows the Emperor's will.
Thinks the Pope, though he seems troubled, is really pleased at this marriage, and his anxiety to know whether the Emperor will go to war with the King is suspicious.
The Nuncio has also written that the Scotch king, fearing continual war with England, has sent a bishop to ask aid from France, but has received no answer as yet. He is vexed at Francis having received the Toison from the Emperor. The Bishop has a commission for the marriage of the King with a French princess ; and if that cannot be managed he will go on to Flanders to negotiate with queen Mary for the daughter of the king of Denmark. *
As to the interview, told the Pope that the French king would not perform one of his principal promises, which was to pacify the king of England, as the latter had determined to marry.
He had published his intention of going on 26 May, but now he says the galleys will not be ready for the whole of June. Rome, 7 May 1533.
Sp., pp. 6. Modern copy.
Ibid., f. 243. 2. "Relacion de lo que el Conde de Cifuentes escrivi a vii. de Mayo." A contemporary abstract of the preceding.
Sp., pp. 2. Modern copy.
7 May.
Add. MS. 28,585, f. 247. B. M.
455. G. Cardinal Of Jaen (fn. 7) to Cobos.
When the Pope spoke to him of the marriage of the king of England, said that it was such a monstrous act, and so insulting to the Holy See, that nothing more could be said, and his Holiness ought to show himself, quien era en familia. Thinks this affair has made him less eager for the interview with France, and that he will proceed with the cause. Rome, 7 May 1533.
Sp., pp. 3. Modern copy.
8 May.
R. O. St. P. VII. 455.
456. Gregory Casale to Norfolk.
Has heard from Guron that the Duke has accepted his most rightful defence. Is very anxious that his innocence should be known to all. The Pope still hesitates and waits for news from France and Spain. The marquis of Montferrat (John George) has died without issue, and will be succeeded by his niece, the duchess of Mantua. The Emperor's daughter is to be married to duke Alexander de Medici. They wish that she should be brought to Florence in consequence of the heat of the summer. Rome, 8 May 1533. Signed.
Lat. Add.
8 May.
R. O.
457. The Mayor Of Oxford and others to Cromwell.
The King's progenitors by their letters patents granted to the mayor of Oxford that on the day of the coronation he should serve in the King's butlery. Let us know whether at the Queen's coronation he shall be there. The proctors newly chosen walk nightly with a great company in harness and disturb the inhabitants ; insomuch that on May Day last, at night, when the mayor sent his serjeant and two constables to search for vagabonds, they were met by the proctors, who took away one of the constable's weapons and would have imprisoned him. Oxford, 8 May. Signed : John Pye, mayre John Austyn, aldermanMycahell Hethe, aldermanWylliam Flemyng, aldermanWilliam Frere, alderman.
P. 1. Add. : Of the King's Council. Endd.
[9 May.]
Tyndale's Works (Daye's edit.), p. 435.
458. Tyndale to Frith.
I hear that the hypocrites, now that they have overcome that great business which letted them, or at least brought it to a stay, return to their old nature. The will of God be fulfilled. Commit yourself only to Him. Your cause is Christ's Gospel. Be of good courage. Stick at necessary things. The death of them that come again after they have once denied, though it be accepted of God, is not glorious. Seek no help from man. Let Bilney be a warning to you.
P.S.Two have suffered in Antwerp in die Sanct Crucis (fn. 8) for the glory of the Gospel, four at Riselles in Flanders, and one at least at Luke, all on the same day. At Roan in France they persecute, and at Paris five doctors are taken for the Gospel. See, you are not alone. When you have read this, send it to Adrian. George Joye at Candlemas printed at Barrow two leaves of Genesis in a great form, and sent one copy to the King and another to the new Queen, with a letter to N. to deliver them and get licence to go through all the Bible. Out of this is sprung the noise of the New Bible, and out of that is the great seeking for English books at all printers and bookbinders in Antwerp and for an English priest that should print. This chanced on the 9th May. "Sir, your wife is well content with the will of God, and would not for her sake have the glory of God hindered."
Headed by the editor of Tyndale : A letter from William Tyndale unto John Frith, being prisoner in the Tower of London.
9 May.
R. O.
459. James Bettes to Cromwell.
When last with him urged him to get a bill from the King for such causes as "ye daily have in hand." Begs Cromwell to have him in his gentle remembrance, that he may obtain the bill "by the fyne of mense Pasche," when his accounts may be completed. 9 May.
Hol., p. 1. Add. : "Of the King's most honorable [Council]."
9 May. 460. Venetian Merchants.
See Grants in May, No. 22.
10 May.
Otho, C. X. 164 b. B. M. Pocock's Records, II. 473.
461. Thomas Bedyll to Cromwell.
This afternoon the Archbishop began his process in the King's great matter, at which my lords of Winchester and Lincoln were present. As the late Queen did not appear either personally or by proxy, she was declared contumax. "Here were looked for witnesses to prove such words as the late Queen spake at the time of the execution of the citation against her, as Master Bryan and others, whose presence might have done much good for divers causes. Also it was looked for that my old lady of Norfolk and my lady Guildford should have been here this day, which can very well depose in this matter. Also here should have lacked the King's Grace's protestation, being, as I understood, in my lord Chancellor's hands, if some had not been ready to make anew." Trusts that, these lacks notwithstanding, the matter shall succeed according to the King's expectation. Desires that the said ladies may be present at nine on Wednesday next, and that the judgment of Convocation and the Universities may be sent. "All things be here very quiet ; [and as] far as I can understand, little communication is of [the late Queen's comi]ng here." Few or none were present this day at the sitting. [Dunstable], 10 May.
Dr. Legh is to be here on Wednesday.
Hol., p. 1. Mutilated. Add. Endd.
10 May.
R. O.
462. Sir J. Russell to Cromwell.
I am in doubt if any misinformation has been made to the King in the matter between Sir Thos. Cheyny and me for the marriage of my daughter. Before my lord Cobham and others he promised to give me 800l. by instalments, the payment to cease if either party died. He offered 100l. in jointure, and not to sell any of her lands. He now departs from all these covenants, and offers me 500 marks. He made the most shamefullest bargain and most unlawful that ever gentleman made, as you will see by his bill, and would have had her put her hand to the same, which I would not cause her to do, to have all the lands he hath. He made a bargain with Mr. Dormour for 500 marks, and has received 300. He has handled me most shamefully. I wish the King would appoint you or some other to settle the matter. Charleywood, 10 May. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Right worshipful. Endd.
10 May.
Vit. B. XIV. 36. B. M.
463. [Cranmer to Henry VIII.]
"Pl[ease] ... off ... e ... k ... pr ... yff ... Doct[or] ... Grace's ... were re ... Grace nor in ... as the law ... contimacy. An ... I thynk your G[race's] ... nott therffor I thou[ght] ... your Grace ther off. And t ... tyme. And thus our Lord g ... From Dunstaple, thys x. day off May."
Mutilated. Modern marginal note :"... to Hen. 8. concerning ... with Q. Catherine, hi ... 1533, 10 May."
10 May.
Harl. MS. 6,064, f. 131. B. M.
464. The Garter.
Appointment by Anne lord Montmorency of Sir Edmund de Courtney, as his proxy to take the oath, &c. on his admission to the Order of the Garter, with certain reservations allowed by the King at Calais. Meilhon, 10 May 1533.
Lat., pp. 2. Copy.
10 May.
Vienna Archives.
465. Chapuys to Charles V.
Since my last of the 27th I have received yours of the 8th ult., of which I at once informed the Queen, to her great joy and consolation at this time, not only for the renewed assurance of your Majesty's great interest in her lamentable affairs, but also to learn of your prosperity, on which depends the peace of Christendom. Considering that it is not lawful for her to make any appeal or protest, or present any [papal] provision to the archbishop of Canterbury, under penalty of rebellion and treason, by virtue of the last ordinance passed in this Parliament, and all that one could allege would not prevent or delay the purpose of the archbishop of Canterbury to give sentence of divorce on the morrow of the Ascension ; and, moreover, as it is to be feared that, if she appeared, the Archbishop and others deputed in this affair might get notaries and witnesses to write something in their favor touching the "prorogacion" of the jurisdiction, and the "derogacion" of her appeal,she is determined not to appear in any way before the said Archbishop. Moreover, it is quite unnecessary, seeing that the revocation of the cause, and the inhibition against proceeding, have been long since executed here, and the other provisions annulling all procedures, in places of which the Archbishop cannot pretend ignorance. Nevertheless, for greater surety, I have prepared certain protests and extrajudicial appeals before a qualified person according to law, which are of quite as great validity as if they were passed before the said Archbishop.
So far as I can see, the King would be very glad if the Queen disobeyed in any way the Act of Parliament, not only that he might have occasion to treat her ill, but also that he may compel all the lords of the kingdom, who in such case ought to be her judges, to condemn her to incur the penalty named in the said Act, thinking that by this artifice they will be compelled to maintain their sentence and his quarrel ; and for the same reasons the Queen thinks she ought not to appear, especially considering the language used on the King's behalf two years ago by the duke of Norfolk, the bishop of Winchester, and the Treasurer, of which I informed your Majesty at the time ; viz., that, as I valued my life, I should beware of executing apostolic letters, for the King himself could not prevent the people offering violence to me (que le peuple ne me assomat) ; not that there is any fear of the people, seeing the great love they have for your Majesty and the Queen, if those here (ceulx cy) by false persuasions do not provoke (nacassent, qu. provocassent?) them to some disorder ; which, perhaps, they would be glad of to arm the people against your Majesty, and so put them in despair of your benevolence, which, I understand from the ambassador Eliot and from others, they are trying hard to do. For this purpose it has been suggested (advis) among them that your Majesty, stimulated by the insatiable cupidity of the Spaniards, had conspired to come and ravage the whole kingdom, waste everything with fire and sword, and extirpate the whole English race. The good treatment which ought to be shown to the English merchants will remedy this, as I have written.
Notwithstanding the said resolution, in order to discharge my duty as far as possible, and to make the King's obstinacy apparent, I wrote a letter to the King, which I transcribe word for word, viz. :
"Sire, as I informed you lately, and as you may see whenever you please, the Emperor has given me express power and command, in case it is proposed to treat of the affair of the Queen's marriage, to appeal and protest in his Majesty's name, and present letters apostolic, and do all other things necessary for the preservation of the Queen's right. And as I understand that the archbishop of Canterbury, not having regard to the appeals and inhibitions, of which he cannot pretend ignorance, has caused the said Queen to be cited, I would desire to discharge my commission in accordance with my said power. And this, more on other accounts than for fear of the procedure of the said Archbishop, who in this case could do no prejudice to anyone but himself ; yet, for the sake of good repute (pour le debvoer de honnestete), and for the desire I have always had that things should go well, I wished first to notify it to you, desiring you to take it in good part, as may be expected of your prudence and humanity, &c. London, 5 May 1533."
I thought it better to write the said letter than to go and speak to the King, because, having made such a disorder, it did not seem right to frequent the Court, lest the world should suspect your Majesty consented to the affair ; and also for other considerations, especially that the answer of the King's intention might be made and given to me in writing for my discharge, and that I might show it to those who take the Queen's part, and publish it among the people as I found necessary. The King received the letter from my man very benignly, and immediately told him that he would send an answer either that day or the next ; which he did ; and there came to me, on his part, Cromwell, who manages all his affairs, who told me that the King had received my letter, containing several articles,among others, that I intended to appeal and present letters apostolic to the archbishop in the name of your Majesty ; that he thought your Majesty had no cause to meddle in the affair, and that I ought to consider that, though the privilege of ambassadors was great, it did not justify them in violating the rights of the Crown and kingdom ; and that the King prayed me to have regard to this, using many gentle and gracious words. And because the matter was of great importance, the King did not limit himself to this answer, but desired me to confer with his Council on the 7th, when a full answer would be given to me.
On the 7th I was at Westminster at 8 a.m., where were assembled in council the Chancellor, the earls of Wiltshire and Essex, lord Rochford, the Treasurer, the Controller, Cromwell, the two chief judges of England, Drs. Fox and Sampson, and others. The two Dukes were not there, because they had gone home to their houses. On Wiltshire arriving there, he drew from his pouch the letter I had written to the King, asking me the meaning of it, and that I would show the power therein mentioned. To this I replied, that as to showing the power I had no great occasion, for as I was ambassador it was only of use to me for my discharge as against your Majesty, in case I should be accused of having intermeddled too far. Nevertheless, to show that I did not wish to stand on ceremony, I was willing to satisfy the King by producing the said power, and I threw it upon the table ; which being read, I declared my said letter summarily, giving them to understand the tenor of the briefs and excommunications. On hearing this, Wiltshire, as one much grieved and astonished, began to say that the said letter appeared a little strange, and that it was of such a quality that if it had been written by any one in the kingdom, however great, his body and goods would be confiscated by virtue of the late statute, of which he desired to notify me by the command of the King, who had besides ordered him to tell me that if I desired to live in peace and do the duty of an ambassador, as I had done till now, the King would treat me most favorably, as much as any ambassador who could come to him from any prince ; but if I meant to assume two faces, and exceed the duty of an ambassador, it would be another thing. Therefore, I ought to consider well how I interfered in the matters contained in the said power. On this I said he acted like the eels of Meaux, (fn. 9) who cry before they are skinned ; for as yet I had neither appealed nor presented apostolic letters, nor done anything by my said letter of which they could reasonably complain, even if it had been written by any other than an ambassador. As to the good treatment of the King, of which he spoke, I held myself very well satisfied hitherto, and that he was so virtuous and humane that he could not do otherwise ; also he could not, without injuring his reputation. As to the two faces of which he spoke, I did not yet know this art, if he did not teach it to me. By these two faces he meant, to attempt to act as ambassador and as proctor. At last I told him he might lawfully enough excuse himself from speaking of this matter, as being an interested party, and moreover that it was a matter for learned men. At this he knew not what to say, except that he referred himself to others.
I then said, if they were so pleased, I would relate to them the discourse of this affair, and my opinion. On their desiring to hear it, I asked if it should be in French or Latin? They thought it would be better in Latin, as they did not all understand French. And I made them a long discourse, beginning with the friendship your Majesty had always borne to the King and realm, and that you had interfered in this affair more for the benefit, honor, and repose of the said King and realm than for any other cause, although your Majesty holds the Queen for your mother, and the Princess for your sister ; declaring with what moderation and gentleness you had proceeded in this affair. And because he founds his justification chiefly on the opinion of the universities and of individual doctors, I showed them the practices that had been used in those universities ; and how there were a greater number of opinions in favor of the Queen ; and how all the prelates of Spain, Naples, and other countries had, without hesitation, decided in her behalf ; and how, notwithstanding all the practices and menaces used here, yet the most learned and virtuous prelates and doctors of this kingdom persisted in the said opinion, and even the university of Paris said that, the Queen not having been known by the Prince, this marriage was good ; and for proof that she had not been known, I gave them innumerable reasons. I then told them that the statute which they alleged was not valid, for several reasons which I set before them ; and, supposing it was good, that the Queen ought not to be included in it, for reasons which it would be too long to relate. I afterwards alleged to them the most just causes why the case should not be decided here, especially before this Archbishop, who is the man most suspected in all the world, and who, as a violater of his recent oath of obedience to the Pope, and also as one excommunicated, can give no sentence of any value ; and that the sentence of the Pope alone is sufficient to abate hereafter the dissensions which may arise touching the succession ; which dissensions, as they have known heretofore, are very easy to disseminate in this kingdom, and very difficult to extinguish : that heretofore the Roses had troubled the kingdom, but now it seemed they desired to sharpen the thorns of the roses ; and that they must consider that even if the Archbishop was a competent judge in this matter, that since sentence in a matrimonial cause "ne passe jamays en chose jugee," his sentence will be liable to be withdrawn sans prescription ; which will tend to create disorder and internal trouble, for reasons which will be too long to write, but of which I have notified the first to Granvelle.
On this, after they had conferred together a little while in English, Dr. Foxe rose, and made a long answer to me, to the effect that the King by his great learning, moved by the Divine Spirit, had found that he could not keep the Queen as his wife, and, like a Catholic prince, he had separated from her, and that there was no occasion to discuss the matter further ; and as to disputing the jurisdiction of the archbishop of Canterbury, it would be against the laws, which neither the King nor the realm would tolerate, even under presentation of briefs or bulls from the Pope, who, to speak frankly, had no authority here, or jurisdiction, either over temporality or spirituality ; and that if I did this, I could not protect myself by the privilege of ambassadors, for that was beyond the duties of the office, especially as the said briefs were not commands of your Majesty, but of the Pope, whose ambassador I was not, and had no charge from his Holiness so to do, which belonged to his Nuncio ; besides that, my said power was of old date, and that your Majesty might have changed your opinion since, which they think probable from information received by the King from his ambassador, and for this reason they would pray me, in order not to put myself in danger, or the realm in trouble, and also not to embitter matters further, that I would wait for a new command from your Majesty.
After several replies and discussions, as I persisted in my intention of executing what was contained in my said power, they one and all begged me to have regard to the inconveniences above mentioned ; and finally, seeing that the two judges were there only to make solemn prohibition and conjure me not to transgress the said statute, of which Wiltshire held a copy in his hand, in a great roll of paper, as long as I was there,and also because, as I wrote at the beginning of this letter, there was no necessity to do so,determining to make a virtue of necessity, I told them that although they knew that I only desired the good of affairs, and not to create too great difficulties, I was content to delay two days, and that meanwhile it might please the King to make answer to my letter in writing, and that if he made me such an answer as it seemed to me your Majesty might be content with, I would forbear to proceed further. Of these words they all showed themselves very glad. I expect today the said answer, and if I do not receive it I will try again. On leaving the Council, for a bonne bouche I told them that there were men in their court who made very strange reports, for some wished the people to understand that your Majesty had consented to this affair, and others said you wished to come and destroy this kingdom ; and as to the last point, I informed them that your Majesty never thought otherwise than to favor this kingdom, and had never imagined they would give him occasion to do otherwise. As to the first, they must understand that unless justice required it so, all the world could not alter your Majesty's intentions, who would pursue the Queen's right to the end, not less, as I have said, for the affection you bore both to the King and Queen, which I hope the King would know, putting apart somewhat his passion ; and therefore they would do well to take order about these publishers of news, otherwise I should be compelled to publish other news. They replied that this was quite reasonable, and that if they found things so, they would give order about them.
The King's marriage was celebrated, as it is reported, on the day of the Conversion of St. Paul ; and because at that time Dr. Bonner had returned from Rome, and the Nuncio of the Pope was frequently at Court, some suspect that the Pope had given a tacit consent ; which I cannot believe. It is true that from that time the said Nuncio did not go very frankly into business ; and although before the said statute I had solicited him according to the charge he had from his Holiness, and to the promise he had made me, when I presented your Majesty's letters to him, to put the brief in execution against the Archbishop, or that he would assist me in it, he has done nothing about it, and I fear that, " la sourde," he has not always done his duty. The duke of Norfolk's mission to France is only founded on the Pope's journey to Nice, as I lately wrote. He came eight days ago, accompanied by the King's physician, to visit the French ambassador, who is ill of a tertian fever ; and being there at dinner, some one asked if he was not going to Rome as reported ; to which he replied, either for brag or to disguise his going to the Pope, that he would never go to Rome except with lance on thigh.
He said also that on this journey he would take with him at least 300 horses, besides mules of burden. I do not know how he will manage at his return, but it seems that he has great desire to march. It has been determined since my last that no churchman should go with him. It is not yet known when he will leave, for it depends upon the post, who, as I last wrote to your Majesty, has not yet returned from Rome. Dr. Sampson and others have told me that the King has no doubt this meeting at Nice is made by consent of your Majesty. The King has ordered all the gentlemen to be here at the Feast of Pentecost, to honor the coronation of the Lady, for which solemnity new loans are levied every day ; but the King will reimburse himself too much, for it is a custom here, when such a festivity takes place, to create knights those who have a sufficient revenue to support it ; and if any one refuse the honor, to avoid incurring certain obligations, as several do, the King formerly took a certain fine ; but now it is proposed to proceed more roughly, that is to say, that every one who has a revenue of 40l. sterling be obliged to accept the said order, or give up his whole revenue for three years. This is a serious thing, besides the displeasure they have at the ill-treatment of the Queen, which makes the people murmur against this coronation ; and most of them have no hope of reformation, except by the aid of your Majesty, and no fear, even those who possess property, except that your Majesty will forget them (ne les oblige, qu. oublie?), saying that they know well this accursed woman will maltreat all those who have taken the Queen's part or spoken in her favor. I speak of men of mark, for whoever would punish all the others would have enough to do ; and I venture to assure your Majesty that things are now at such a pass that if there came men from your Majesty, they would have as much following as they pleased. This woman does all she can to gain the goodwill of the Londoners ; but she deceives herself, for if there come a crisis (ung affaire), I think they would keep their wages and say, "vive qui vence," as usual.
Ten days ago the King despatched to Rome in great diligence the nephew of the auditor of the Chamber, I know not about what. There has also arrived here the Pope's man to speak of the convocation of the Council, who with the Nuncio was at court on Sunday, and they will return thither tomorrow. I imagine they will get an agreeable answer, viz., that the King does not wish to promote the said Council, which is, as the English say, just what the Pope wants, whatever he pretends. The messenger of Denmark, who was here before for the justification of the outrage done to the English in Denmark, has returned, and I have not been able to discover why he came. London, 10 May 1533.
Fr., pp. 10. From a modern copy.
10 May.
Add. MS. 28,585, f. 249. B. M.
466. Count Of Cifuentes to Charles V.
Congratulations on the Emperor's safe passage to Barcelona.
Is pressing for a sentence in the English case. The Pope is afraid of deciding till he knows the Emperor's intentions. Asked him to order the sentence to be given, because it would be doing justice, especially now that the King has done what was not expected in a Defender of the Faith. If he gave the sentence now, he would have an interval between doing so and depriving the King of his kingdom, so that every one would see that he was doing right. Finally he ordered that what was necessary should be done to make it effectual (mando que se entendiesse en todo el necessario para el buen effetto della). He said, however, that he thought of sending to the Emperor to know whether, if his Holiness deprived the King, he would give his word to execute it and stand by the Church. He suggested some negociation with France to prevent the King helping England, but the Count would not talk of anything likely to affect the treaties of Madrid and Cambray, and told the Pope he was bound to do justice, and to regard his promises to the Emperor. * Rome, 10 May 1533.
Sp., pp. 6. Modern copy.


  • 1. "Cures," error for "cives."
  • 2. Blank in MS.
  • 3. John Higden, dean of the King's College in Oxford, who died in Dec. 1532.
  • 4. Printed from the orig., Cleop. E. IV. 140, in Suppression of Monasteries (Camd. Soc.), p. 11, as a letter addressed to Cromwell.
  • 5. Mayor in 1532-3.
  • 6. William Clyff, LL.D.
  • 7. Giennensis. His name was Gabriel Merino.
  • 8. Invention of the Holy Cross, 3 May.
  • 9. Cotgrave gives this proverb of the eels of Melun.