House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 30 November 1641

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Martis, videlicet, 30 die Novembris.


Proger committed.

Allowance to the Sheriff for bringing him up.

The Sheriffs of Chester this Day brought the Body of Arthur Proger, who was sent for to appear before this House by Order of the 15th of this Instant November; and the Information and Examination concerning this Business being read, it is Ordered, That the said Arthur Proger shall forthwith be committed to the Prison of The Gatehouse, there to remain until the further Pleasure of this House be known; and for the Charges of his bringing up from Chester, the said Proger is to satisfy the Sheriff (fn. 1) for the same, if he be able; but, if he be not able, then the Sheriff of Chester is to pay himself out of those Monies which he receives for the King by virtue of his Place, and is to be allowed the same upon his Account.

Order for a Hundred Thousand Pounds to be secured to London.

Next, the Ordinance of Parliament for securing the Two Fifty Thousand Pounds to the City of London was read; and the House thought fit the Word ["Ordinance"] should be changed, and made ["An Order of both Houses"]. To this Purpose,

The Lord Privy Seal,
Earl of South'ton,
Earl of Bristoll, and
The Lord Roberts,

Were appointed presently to withdraw, and make such Alterations therein, as they conceived was according to the Sense of the House; and so prepare it for a Conference with the House of Commons.

Ld. Loftus's Cause.

Ordered, That the Lord Viscount Loftus shall have a Copy of so much of the Letter, which came lately from Ireland, as concerns his Business.

Bill for securing Recusants.

Then the Amendments and Alterations in the Bill concerning the securing of Popish Recusants were read; and, for the better Debate thereof, the House was put into a Committee; and it was taken into Consideration, whether the First Clause should stand, which was, ["That the Persons of Recusants should be restrained as the Lords in Parliament should think fit"]; or whether it should be altered according as the House of Commons desired, which was, ["That the Lords should have Power to dispose of the Persons of Lords, and the House of Commons of Commoners"]. And, after a long Debate, the House was resumed; and a Conference was agreed upon with the House of Commons; and the Lord Keeper was to let the House of Commons know, "That, for the Alterations of the Names of the Persons in the Bills, and the Places of Dwellings, and the Alteration of Time, this House agrees and consents to; for the rest, this House adheres to the former Clause in the Bill."

Tonnage and Poundage Bill.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Solicitor; who brought a Bill, which had passed the House of Commons, intituled, "A Subsidy granted to the King of Tonnage and Poundage, and other Monies, payable upon Merchandizes imported and exported;" and further said, The House of Commons prayed their Lordships would be pleased to pass the Bill for securing the Persons of Recusants with as much convenient Speed (fn. 2) as they could.


Hodie 1a, 2a, et 3a vice lecta est Billa, A Subsidy granted to the King, of Tonnage, Poundage, and other Monies, payable upon Merchandize imported and exported.

And, upon the Question, it was Resolved to pass as a Law, nemine contradicente.

The Lord Privy Seal reported the Order for securing the Hundred Thousand Pounds to the City of London, with the few Amendments, which was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,

Order for securing the Money to London.

"The Lords and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, having a due Regard to the good Affections of the City of London, expressed upon sundry Occasions, by the advancing and lending of great Sums of Money, for the Service of this Commonwealth, and particularly the Sum of Fifty Thousand Pounds for Supply of the present Affairs in Ireland; all which the said Lords and Commons do take in very good Part; and being resolved to make a full and just Satisfaction for the same, do hereby Declare, That the said Sum of Fifty Thousand Pounds lent for the Irish Affairs, and the Sum of Fifty Thousand Pounds more lent by the said City unto the Peers attending His Majesty in the Northern Parts, before the Beginning of this present Parliament, and such other Sums of Money lent by the said City unto this Parliament, which are not yet paid, or otherwise secured, shall be fully satisfied and re-paid unto the said City of London, with Interest, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum, for a Year, out of such Monies as are, or shall be, raised by Authority of Parliament; and, for that Purpose, will exhibit a Bill, and become Suitors to His Majesty, that the same may be passed with all Expedition; provided always that this present Declaration shall not be in any wise prejudicial to any Members of the said House of Commons who have formerly lent any Sums of Money to this Parliament, nor to the Northern Counties, nor to any Persons whatsoever; to whom both Houses of Parliament, or the House of Commons, have formerly Ordered the Payment of any Sums of Money, nor to any Security given to them before the making of this Declaration."

Ordered, That this House agrees to this Declaration.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Finch and Mr. Serjeant Glanvile:

Message to the H. C. for a Conference concerning this and the Bill for securing Recusants.

To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the Security to be given to the City of London, for the Two Fifty Thousand Pounds borrowed of them; and also touching the Bill for securing the Persons of the Papists.

Message to the King, for the Royal Assent to the Tonnage and Poundage Bill.

The Lord Keeper was appointed by the House, to send to the King at Hampton Court, to let Him know that the Bill for Tonnage and Poundage expires To-morrow; and that a new Bill hath passed both Houses; and to know when His Majesty will be pleased to come to this House, and give His Royal Assent to this Bill.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer from the C. H.

That they will give a present Meeting, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.

Conference about the Bill for securing Recusants, and the Order for securing Money to the City, reported.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference, which being ended, the House was resumed; and the Lord Keeper reported, "That, at this Conference, he had delivered to the House of Commons the Bill concerning the securing of the Papists, with the Amendments; and likewise the Declaration of both Houses, for securing the Hundred Thousand Pounds to the City of London."


Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Mercurii, videlicet, 1m diem Decembris 1641, hora 12a, Dominis sic decernentibus.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.