House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 23 November 1642

Pages 454-455

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 5, 1642-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Mercurii, videlicet, 23 die Novembris.


The Lord Grey of Warke, Speaker.

Conference about an Answer to the King's Reply reported.

The Speaker reported, "That, at the Conference Yesterday, Mr. Pym said, He was commanded by the House of Commons to acquaint their Lordships with some Votes made by the House of Commons, in Answer to the King's Reply, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence. The Parts were, Two concerning Propositions; Two concerning the Challenge.

"1. That, in this Answer to His Majesty's Message, the House shall desire the King to return to His Parliament, to the End that Religion, Laws, and Liberty, may be secured by the Advice of Parliament.

"2. That the Process and Justice of Parliament, being the Supreme Court of Judicature, may have it's free Course, and be executed upon Delinquents; and that they may not be protected and kept from the Justice of Parliament by Force; and that in particular the Lord Digby and Mr. Henry Willmott be presently delivered over to the Justice of Parliament.

"The House of Commons do remember what Misfortune lately befel the Two Regiments at Brainford, upon the last Treaty; therefore they now think it fit, and Declare, That both Armies may be left to take all Advantages they can on both Sides in the mean Time.

"Concerning the Challenge, the House of Commons said, They think it strange that the King of England should send a Challenge, and an Invitation to a Battle, seeing heretofore His Majesty hath seemed to decline the Effusion of Blood, and professed to use all Means to prevent the same; therefore the House of Commons resolve to be in a Readiness; and, if His Majesty will withdraw Himself from His Cavaliers, the Army will so behave themselves as to be ready, and will not decline, if they have a Mind, to give a Battle, if the Place and Time shall be appointed.

"These are the Heads which the House of Commons have resolved; to which if their Lordships shall concur, they desire that Committees of both Houses may be appointed, to put them into a Form fit to be sent to His Majesty."

The Report being ended, this House Ordered, That the Consideration of this Conference shall be committed to a Committee of all the Lords in the House now present, and Report to be made to the House; and immediately the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went into the Prince's Lodgings, to debate this Business.

The Lords being returned into the House, the House was resumed.

Lady Pawlett to bring Goods from Cheswick.

Ordered, That the Lady Pawlett shall have an Order, to enable her to bring some Goods of hers from Cheswicke to London, without any Trouble or Interruption.

Ordered, That this House shall sit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock.

Message to the H. C. to sit P. M.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Ayliff and Dr. Childe:

To desire that they would fit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock.


House adjourned till 4a post meridiem.

Post meridiem.


The Lord Grey, Speaker.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons this Morning return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That the House of Commons will sit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, as is desired.

Report of a Draught of a Petition to be presented to the King.

The Earl of Holland reported from the Committee appointed this Morning to consider of the Votes of the House of Commons; and they have made a Draught of a Petition to be presented to the King, which was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,

"May it please Your Majesty,

First Part.
"It is humbly desired, by both Houses of Parliament, That Your Majesty will be pleased to return to Your Parliament, with Your Royal not Your Martial Attendance, to the End that Religion, Laws, and Liberties, may be settled and secured by their Advice; finding, by a late and sad Accident, that Your Majesty is environed by some such Counsels, as do rather persuade a desperate Division than a Joining and a good Agreement with Your Parliament and People; and we shall be ready to give Your Majesty Assurances of such Security as may be for Your Honour and the Safety of Your Royal Person.
Second Part.
"Or else we shall, in convenient Time, consider of fit Propositions to present unto Your Majesty; such as may be for the Preservation of God's true Religion, Your Majesty's Honour, Safety, and Prosperity, and to the Peace and Happiness of this and Your other Kingdoms."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees to the First Part of this Petition.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this (fn. 1) House approves of the Second Part of this Petition.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, to desire a present (fn. 1) Conference, touching this Petition, to communicate it unto them, and desire their Concurrence therein.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfield and Serjeant Glanvile:

To desire a present Conference, touching an Answer to the King's last Message.

Warrant for Alexander's Horses not to be seized, who breaks them for the Parliament.

Upon the Petition of Joseph Alexander; shewing, "That he doth ride Horses, and fit them for Service with great Saddles, for the Use of the Parliament; now, in regard that Horses are seized upon, and taken away, by the Authority of the Parliament, to be employed in the Service of the Parliament, he desires that a Warrant may be granted to him, whereby his Horses may not be seized upon."

Ordered, That a Warrant may be granted, as is desired.

The Messengers return this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer from the H. C.

That they will give a present Meeting, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.

Committee to wait on the Venetian Ambassador on his Departure.

The Earl of Holland acquainted this House, "That the Venetian Ambassador is going away; and he desired that this House might know that he goes with very good Affections and Respects towards this State, and shall be ready to pay all the Service he can to it:" Hereupon this House appointed (fn. 1) the Earl of Holland and the Lord Newnham to go to the Venetian Ambassador, from this House, and let him know their Lordships wish him a good Journey, and take his Expressions towards this Kingdom very kindly from him.

Hone's Petition for his Liberty.

Upon the Petition of Barth. Hone; shewing, "That he hath been Fourteen Weeks a Prisoner in The Tower at a great Charge, and is no Way able to bear it; and forasmuch as his Continuance in Restraint tendeth directly to the Ruin of himself and of all those that depend upon (fn. 2) him; humbly prayeth that he may be called to answer, that, either by such Defence as his Cause will admit of, or by your Lordships Favour, in respect of his long and great Sufferings, he might obtain his Liberty."

His Cause to be heard.

Ordered, That, upon Friday next, Mr. Hone shall be brought before this House; and then this House will consider of the Charge against him.

Subject of the Conference.

The House of Commons being come, in the Painted Chamber, this House appointed to let the House of Commons know, that this House hath thought fit (upon the Votes brought up to this House by the House of Commons) to present this Petition from both Houses to His Majesty, and desire their Concurrence therein.

House adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the Lords returned, and the House was resumed.


House adjourned till 10 a cras.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.