House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 24 January 1643

Pages 569-570

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 5, 1642-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Martis, 24 die Januarii.


Earl of Manchester, Speaker this Day.

Sir Thomas Dawes's Bill.

Ordered, That the Committee concerning Sir Tho. Dawes's Bill is appointed to meet on Friday Morning next; and the said Committee to have Power to adjourn from Time to Time.

Bill against scandalous Ministers.

Ordered, That the Bill against scandalous Ministers is referred to the Consideration of Mr. Justice Reeves and Mr. Justice Bacon; who are to peruse the same, and report it to this House.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the Propositions to the King.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, touching the Propositions to be sent to the King.

Yates, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Yates shall have a Pass, to go to the Earl of Danby, in Oxfordshire, being sick.

Gibbons's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of John Gibbon is referred to the Committee for the Bill concerning Sir Tho. Dawes, to be considered of at the same Time.

Countess of Leicester's Servant, a Pass.

Ordered, That the Servant of the Countess of Leycester shall have a Pass, to go to Oxford, to carry a Letter to the Earl of Leycester from her Ladyship.

Marescall, committed for presenting a Petition from the French Church, released.

Upon the humble Petition of Marescall, a Frenchman, committed by this House, for presenting an unfitting Petition concerning the French Congregation, and acknowledging his Sorrow for his Offence; it is Ordered, That he shall be released from his present Imprisonment, paying his Fees.

The Messengers return with this Answer:

That the House of Commons will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

French Congregation to chuse their own Ministers.

Upon Perusal of the Charter of the French Congregation, it appearing that, by their said Charter, they have Power to ordain and chuse Ministers, and use their own Ceremonies and Discipline: It is Ordered, That they (fn. 1) shall, according to their Charter, have free Liberty to chuse and ordain their own Ministers, and all other Officers belonging to their Churches, according to their Discipline, as they have done hitherto; and that no Member of their Congregations made, being under the Censure of their Discipline, by reason of some scandalous Offence committed, be received as Member of any other of their own Churches, without a Certificate from his own Church.

Subject of the Conference about the Propositions.

The House of Commons being come in the Painted Chamber, attending the Conference; the Speaker was to let the House of Commons know, "That this House agrees with them in the Alteration in the Preamble of the Proposition.

"That this House adheres to their Opinion, not to put an Incapacity upon the Earl of Bristoll, there being no Charge against him.

"That this House adheres to recommend Mr. Justice Foster to be Lord Chief Baron.

"That, in the Twelfth Article, these Words ["Adherents of the Spanish Faction"] to be omitted.

"That, concerning the General Pardon, this House, upon Second Thoughts, thinks it best to be General, excepting such Persons as they think fit to be expressed, because else all Men will be liable to be questioned from the 18 Jac.

"Concerning the fixing of a Time to receive an Answer, this House is of Opinion, That no Time should be fixed, as being not usual that the King should limit the Parliament, nor the Parliament the King; but that it be desired that the King would send a speedy positive Answer to the Propositions; and, if an Answer should not be given in convenient Time, then it should be taken as a Denial.

"Concerning the putting out of Justices of the Peace, to be such as shall be excepted against by both Houses of Parliament."

Then this House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the House was resumed.

Bill to abolish Episcopacy.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the abolishing and rooting out of Archbishops, and Bishops, &c.

Committed to these Lords following:

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Holland.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Manchest.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Feilding.
Ds. Wharton.

And the rest of the Lords of the House.

Any Seven to meet upon Thursday next, in the Afternoon.

Bill against scandalous Ministers.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for scandalous Ministers shall meet upon Friday Morning next.

Ordered, The Earl of Warwicke and the Lord Viscount Say & Seale are added to the Committee for scandalous Ministers.

Norton sent for, for printing some Things about the Adjournment of the Term.

Ordered, That Norton, the Printer that printed Things concerning the Adjournment of the next Term to Oxford, without Order of this House, shall be sent for as a Delinquent, to answer the said Offence.

Mynn and Sir Richard Young.

Ordered, That the Cause of Mr. George Mynn against Sir Ric'd Younge, Knight, depending in the King's Bench, upon a Writ of Assize for the Hanaper Office (fn. 2)


House adjourned till 10a, die Jovis.


  • 1. Bis in Originali.
  • 2. Sic.