House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 14 October 1644

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Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Lunæ, 14 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Marshall.

Ds. North, Speaker this Day.

Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Stamford.
L. Admiral.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Wharton.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page, sent to the House of Commons with a Message on Saturday last, return with this Answer:

That they agree to the Ordinance concerning the Lord Fairfaix's Chaplain, and to the Ordinance concerning Sir James Palmer's Jewels, with the Proviso. (Here enter them.) And concerning the Business of the Duke of Lorraine's Agent, the Lord Newburg, and the reprieving of Seppens, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

This Day a Letter was read, directed to the Lord Grey of Warke, Speaker of the House of Peers, from the Lord Robertes, dated at Plymouth, the 4 of October, 1644.

Letter from Lord Roberts, that Saltash is taken.

"My Lord,

"This Morning, by a commanded Party, the Town of Saltash was taken in, which I believe may be kept, if there come speedily a Supply of Men and Ammunition to this Place; of the Thousand Men which went out of this Town, there is returned with Lieutenant Colonel Marten only Two Hundred, and none of the Plymouth Horse, which, in regard of their Knowledge of the Country, are believed the fittest to do Service here; which I desire you to offer to the House, from

"Your Lordship's humble Servant,

"J. Robertes."

Ordered, That this Letter be sent to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to take some Resolution therein.

Ordinance for raising Money on the King's Plate.

The Earl of Kent reported from the Committee, That they think it not fit (fn. 1) that the Ordinance concerning the King's Plate should pass, to be melted, but rather pawned:" And the House taking the same into Consideration, were of Opinion, to have a Conference with the House of Commons, to give them some Reasons why they think it not fit to have the King's Plate pawned or melted; but to propound to them that some other Course may be found out, to supply the Occasions of the Counties which the Money is intended for.

To this Purpose, these Lords were appointed Committees:

Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Stamford.
Ds. Howard.

Their Lordships to meet presently.

E. of Denbigh's Soldiers Petition for Pay.

Upon reading the Petition of the Officers and Soldiers of the Regiment of the Earl of Denbigh; (fn. 2) declaring "their Wants and Necessities, by reason they have had no Pay a long Time; and, if no Supplies come speedily, they shall be forced to disband:" And it being taken into Consideration, that formerly One Thousand Pounds and Six Hundred Pair of Pistols were promised by both Houses to be sent them; it was Resolved, To send to the House of Commons, to desire that Three Hundred Pounds of that Thousand Pounds, and Three Hundred Pair of Pistols, may be speedily sent them, to (fn. 3) prevent them from disbanding, they having done much good Service to the Parliament.

Message from the H. C. to assess Lord Newburgh.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Strode:

To desire that their Lordships would assess the Lord Newburgh for the Twentieth Part of his Estate, in regard of the pressing Occasions of the West.

Upon this, the House Resolved to hear the Lord Newburgh herein, before any Answer be given to the House of Commons.

The Answer returned was;


That this House will take the assessing of the Lord Newburgh into speedy Consideration, and return an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Nicolls, &c.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Ordinance for raising Monies out of the Seven associated Counties, to furnish Arms for Major Cromwell's Regiment. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for Mr. Morgan's Estate, a Papist, to be given to Mr. Pym. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

3. An Ordinance for paying such of the Earl of Manchester's Forces as are before Crowland, &c.

Read Twice, and committed to these Lords following:

L. Admiral.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. North.
Ds. Bruce.

Any Three, to (fn. 4) meet when they please, and to report their Opinion to the House.

4. An Order for paying Money to Dr. Bastwicke. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

for Col. Harley to be Governor of Monmouth; with Committees Names for Gloucester, &c.

5. That Colonel Edward Harley be recommended to Colonel Massie, to be Governor of Monmouth.

6. To desire Concurrence, in nominating and appointing James Fiennes, Mr. Henry Herbert, Members of the House of Commons, Edward Stradling, Mr. Jo. Herbert, Mr. Roger Williams, Christopher Katchemey, Colonel Hen. Bowen, to be added to the Committee for Gloucester, Hereford, &c.

Agreed to.

7. An Ordinance for Addition to the Ordinance for Martial Law.

8. Concerning South'ton Excise.

9. Concerning Mr. Hickes' Ordinance, for One Hundred Pounds per Annum, out of the Revenue of Paule's.

10. An Ordinance for the sequestering of the Estates of the Delinquents in the Island of Jersey.

The Answer returned was:


That this House agrees to the Ordinance concerning the Arms for Colonel Cromwell, the Ordinance concerning Mr. Pym, the Ordinance for Dr. Bastwicke, and the Persons (fn. 5) to be added to the Committee for Gloucester, &c.

To all the rest, their Lordships will take it into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to the H. C. about the Pay and Arms of the E. of Denbigh's Soldiers; and with the Ordinance for protecting Hyde Park.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To deliver to them the Petition of the Officers and Soldiers of the Earl of Denbigh; and to signify to them, That it is desired by the Lords, that Three Hundred Pounds, and Three Hundred Pair of Pistols, shall be immediately provided, for the Payment of the Earl of Denbighe's Regiment of Horse, as Part of the Thousand Pounds, and of that Parcel of Arms, formerly granted to his Lordship by both Houses of Parliament, to prevent the disbanding of his Lordship's said Regiment of Horse;" also to desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance for the Protection of Hyde Parke.

Ordinance for raising Monies out of the Seven associated Counties of Essex, Suffolk, &c. for Arms for General Cromwell's Regiment.

"Whereas, by an Order of the House of Commons the 4th of this Month, it is Ordered, That Three Hundred Pair of Pistols, a Hundred Heads, a Hundred Backs, and a Hundred Breasts, be forthwith provided, and sent to Lieutenant General Cromwell, to arm his Regiment: It is now Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, and by Authority thereof, That the Sum of Five Hundred and Fourscore Pounds, Ten Shillings, be raised out of the several associated Counties hereafter expressed, according to the several Rates hereafter following; that is to say, out of the County of Essex, One Hundred and Fifty Pounds, to be paid to Sir Martin Lumley; out of the County of Norff. One Hundred and Fifty Pounds, to be paid to Sir Thomas Woodhouse; and out of the County of Suff. One Hundred and Fifty Pounds, to be paid to William Heveningbam Esquire; out of the County of Hert., to be paid to Sir Thomas Dacres, Seventy Pounds; out of the County of Cambridge Sixty Pounds, to be paid to Sir Dudley North; all which Sums are to be paid to these Gentlemen abovementioned, out of the First Monies that shall be raised and paid in of the Weekly Assessment, upon the late Ordinance of Four Months, charged upon the associated Counties of Norff. Suff. &c. for the Maintenance of the Forces under the Lord of Manchester's Command; which Monies are by these Gentlemen to be paid, within Three Months, to Mr. Watson and Mr. Newton, which have furnished and sent away these Arms as abovementioned; and hereby the said Treasurers of each of these respective Counties shall be hereby discharged of such Monies as they, or any of them, shall pay, according as this Ordinance doth express, and also be saved harmless for any Thing they shall do herein."

Ordinance to convey Mr. Morgan's Estate to Mr. Pym's Children, and for paying his Debts.

"Whereas the House of Commons did formerly grant, that the Estate of Mr. Morgan, a Papist, who died in Arms against the Parliament, should be granted unto, and bestowed upon, the Children of Mr. Pym, late a Member of the said House, and for the Payment of the Debts of the said Mr. Pym; and further Ordered that an Ordinance should be brought in to that Purpose; but, in regard of the weighty Affairs of the Kingdom, the said Ordinance could not yet be brought in, and taken into Consideration: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Rents due out of the Estate of the said Mr. Morgan, in any Part of this Kingdom, on Michaelmas-day last past, shall be disposed of unto Sir Benjamin Rudyard Knight, a Member of the House of Commons, or to such Persons as he shall appoint, for the Uses aforesaid, and forthwith paid accordingly; whose Acquittance unto the Tenants, or others, Possessors of the said Mr. Morgan's Lands, under the Hand of Sir Benjamin Rudyard, or of such Person or Persons as shall be appointed under the Hand of the said Sir Benjamin Rudyard, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Tenants."

Order for 100 l. to Dr. Bastwick.

"The humble Petition of Mrs. Sussanna Bastwicke was this Day read; and it is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Habberdasb'rs Hall do advance and pay unto Mrs. Susanna Bastwicke, Wife of Doctor Bastwicke, taken Prisoner by the King's Forces, being in the Parliament's Service, and still a close Prisoner in Knaresborrough Castle, or such as she shall appoint to receive the same, the Sum of One Hundred and Ten Pounds, and Five Shillings, upon Accompt, being for so much due unto the Husband of the said Mrs. Bastwick, for his Pay and Entertainment in the Parliament Service."

Order for the Produce of Sir James Palmer's Jewels to he employed for Wilts and Plymouth.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Goods formerly seized, which were the Goods of Sir James Palmer, a Delinquent, and by both Houses of Parliament appointed to be employed for Plymouth and Wiltshire, shall be forthwith delivered to Mr. Jennor, a Member of the House of Commons, to be by him disposed of as the Committees of those Places shall direct: Provided always, That all such Jewels, Gold Medals, Gold Chains, and other Goods, which were the late Earl of Denbighe's, and mortgaged or pawned by his Lordship to the said Sir James Palmer, or any other in Trust for him, shall be delivered to Bazill now Earl of Denbigh, he paying the Money for which the same was so mortgaged or pawned; and the same Monies is to be employed to the Uses expressed in a former Ordinance for Sale of the same."

Ordinance for Mr. Clarkson to be Minister of Kirklington.

"Forasmuch as the Parsonage of Kirklington, in the North Riding in the County of Yorke, is lately become void, by the Death of Mr. Daggett, late Minister of the said Parish of Kirklington, and that the next Presentation thereof did belong or appertain unto Sir Edward Osborne Knight and Baronet (who hath been in Arms against the Parliament), as Guardian (with his Sister Alice Wandisford) unto George Wandsford Esquire, His Majesty's Ward: The Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled (to the End the said Parish and Church may be supplied with a Learned, Godly, and Orthodox Divine, have Ordered, Ordained, and Appointed, and hereby do Order, Ordain, and Appoint, Mr. William Clarkson, Master of Arts, and Chaplain to Ferdinando Lord Fairefax, to be Minister of the said Church and Parish of Kirklington; and that he shall and may have, hold, possess, and enjoy, the said Parsonage, and the Parsonage-house, with the Appurtenances, and all Glebe Lands, Tithes, Rents, Stipends, Pensions, Profits, and Commodities whatsoever, to the said Parish Church and Parsonage belonging or appertaining, in as large and ample Manner as the said Mr. Daggett, the late deceased Minister thereof, or any other, lawfully and of Right hath had, or ought to have had, the same."


House adjourned till 9a cras.


  • 1. Origin. to that.
  • 2. Origin. declared.
  • 3. Deest in Originali.
  • 4. Deest in Originali.
  • 5. Origin. Persons Committee.