Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.
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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 18 March 1645', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 277-279. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol7/pp277-279 [accessed 2 March 2024]
DIE Martis, 18 die Martii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Delmy.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Answer from the H. C.
The Messengers sent Yesterday to the House of Commons return with this Answer:
That they will give a Meeting, at a Free Conference, this Morning, as is desired; and for the Letter of Monsieur Sabran, they agree that it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to report to both Houses their Opinions, what is fit to be done thereupon. Touching the Paper of the Spanish Ambassador, and the Names to be added to the Committee for Leycestershire, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.
Lord Savill committed to the Black Rod, and to be examined.
The House being informed, "That the Lord Savill is [ (fn. 1) come to] Town;" and the Lord General signified (fn. 1) to the House, "That the Lord Savill, having been a long Prisoner at Oxford, intimated to his Lordship, that, if he might have a Pass, he desired to come either to London or travel; and accordingly, his Lordship granting him a Pass, he is come to London."
And this House Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher attending this House shall take him into his Custody; and that he lie under the same Restraint as the Earls of Holland and Bedford did; and a Committee be appointed, to examine him, what were (fn. 2) the Reasons of his coming away.
Ordered, That the Examination of the Lord Savill be referred to the same Committee as examined the Earl of Holland; and the Lord General, Earl of Kent, and the Lord North, to be added to that Committee.
The Lord Savill to be brought before them To-morrow Morning, at Nine of the Clock.
List for the new Model of the Army.
The Clerk of the Parliament gave an Account to this House, "That, upon diligent Search made, it appears not upon the Record, that there is any Order to take away Proxies."
Upon this, the Proxy of the Earl of Mulgrave stood good; and the Judgement of the House was, That the Question Yesterday is to stand in the Affirmative.
(Here enter the List.)
These Lords following, before the putting of the Question Yesterday, desired Leave of the House, that if the Question was carried in the (fn. 3) Negative, that they might have (fn. 4) Leave to enter their Dissent to this Question; which accordingly the House granted:
Heads for the Conference about it.
It is Ordered, To let the House of Commons know, at the next Free Conference, "That this House doth agree to pass this List, as it was presented by Sir Thomas Fairefaxe to the House of Commons, and brought up by the House of Commons to this House; and to let them know, that this House ever was, and will be, willing to concur with them, in what shall be for the saving of the Kingdom."
And the Earl of Northumb. was appointed to deliver, at the Free Conference, the Sense of the House, to the Effect as aforesaid.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and went to meet the House of Commons, at a Free Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.
Message from the H. C. for the E. of Northumberland to have the Charge of the King's Children;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Peter Wentworth, &c.
1. To desire Concurrence, in the Nomination of the Earl of Northumb. to have Charge and Care of the King's Children at St. James; and that it be referred to the Committee for the King's Children, to consider of the placing of them under him. (Here enter it.)
and with an Order.
2. To desire Concurrence, in an Order for Advance of Two Hundred Pounds to Major Crawford.
(Here enter it.)
The Answer returned was:
That this House approves of their Choice of the Earl of Northumb. to have the Charge and Care of the King's Children, and in the referring the Manner of settling them under him to the Committee; also their Lordships agreed to the Order concerning Major Crawford.
Next, was read a Paper from the Commissioners of Scotland; videlicet,
Paper from the Scots Commissioners, about the Restitution of the Earl of Roxburgh's Jewels, &c.
"We have delivered severall Papers unto your Lordships and these Gentlemen, to be presented to both Houses of Parliament, concerning the Restitution of the Jewells, Plate, Money, and Goods, belonging to the Earl of Roxburgh or his Lady, the Tyme of her Decease; to which Papers we have receved no Answere, notwithstanding we did earnestly presse, by a Paper of the 21 Decemb. last, that some speedy Course might be taken, for giving Satisfaction to Alderman Andrewes, for the Summe of Fower Thousand Pounds, due to him upon those Goods impignorate to him by Ordinance of Parliament, the Time limitted therein for Re-payment of that Summe being then to expire upon the 24th of that Month; and, in Case of Not-payment made to him before that Day, the Jewells, Mony, and Plate, to be disposed of by him, as his owne proper Goods; which Tyme being long since elapsed, and nothing done therein, we have thought fitt once againe to trouble your Lordships with this Particuler, earnestly desiring the Honorable Houses will be pleased to returne us an Answere, that we may be able to give some Accompt thereof, in Obedience to the Comands we have receved from the Parliament of Scotland in Behalfe of that Nobleman, of whose Affection and Forwardnes in this Cause they have long since receved full Assurance.
"By Comand of the Comissioners for the Parliament of Scotland.
17 Martii, 1644.
Ordered, That this Paper be communicated and recommended to the House of Commons, to take some (fn. 5) Course for his Satisfaction.
Manors of Rowell and Orton, in Reversion to the E. of Denbigh, to be protected.
Upon reading the Petition of the Earl of Denbigh, That, in the Manors of Rowell and Orton, in North'tonshire (which are for the present sequestered, but are to descend upon his Lordship in Reversion), Liberty is taken, not only to plough up the Grounds, but to cut up the Woods, which will prove very much to his Lordship's Loss and Prejudice."
It is Ordered, That there be a Stay of ploughing up the Grounds, and cutting of the Woods; and that the Committee of Sequestrations do take Order that nothing be done herein to his Lordship's Prejudice, until this House gives further Direction; and the Petition referred to them.
Message to the H. C. with the Paper about the E. of Roxburgh;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:
To deliver the Scotts Papers to them concerning the Earl of Roxburgh, with Recommendations.
and Mrs. Mordant's Pass,
2. To desire their Concurrence, for a Pass, for Mrs. Mordent and her Sister, with their Servants, to go into France.
and Mr. Ogle's to go abroad.
3. To desire (fn. 6) Concurrence in the Order for John Ogle Esquire, to (fn. 7) go beyond the Seas; there having been Security given of One Thousand Pounds, that he shall go over, and do nothing prejudicial to the Parliament.
List of Officers for the new Model of the Army.
"For the Horse:
Earl of Northumberland to have the Care of the King's Children.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That it be recommended unto the Committee for the King's Children, to consider the placing of the King's Children under the Care of the Earl of Northumberland and his Lady; and that they be desired to have a Care of them, and to settle some certain Establishment for the constant Maintenance of the said Children in an honourable and fitting Way, in such a Manner as may likewise have Consideration of an honourable Subsistence for the Earl of Northumberland, who hath suffered so much in his Private, for the Public: And it is further Ordered, That the Condition of the Lady Dorsett be referred to the Consideration of this Committee."
Order for 200l. to General Crawford.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Two Hundred Pounds be forthwith this Afternoon advanced, upon Accompt, to Major General Crawford, whereof One Hundred Pounds by the Committee at Habberdashers Hall for Advance of Monies by Way of Loan, and a Hundred Pounds by the Treasurers of the Earl of Manchester's Association: It is further Ordered, That the Treasurers of the said Association do re-pay the Committee at Habberdashers Hall the Hundred Pounds lent upon this Occasion."
House adjourned till 9a cras.