Border Papers volume 1: August 1583

Pages 107-108

Calendar of Border Papers: Volume 1, 1560-95. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1894.

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170. Scrope to Walsingham. [Aug. 3. 1583.]

I have received your letter of 26th ultimo, enclosing one from the Council of the 23d, and understand that their lordships will decline to exempt redress of hurts and mutilacions from the ordinary authority of the wardens, in case the King shall ask it.

I inclose my answers to the several questions or heads in their lordships' letter, and pray you to lay the same before them. To show you how it standeth with Cesford to make redress, I send you his own letter to me in answer for two attempts done shortly after our meeting, whereby you will see his opinion as well of the Liddesdales as of him self. Carlisle. H. Scroope.

1 p. Official copy. Indorsed.

Inclosed with the above:—

(Scrope's answers to the Council.)

By their letter of 23 July 1583, they made six enquiries—(1) What matters were "not yet ordered," but referred to the special commissioners? (2) Why the Scottish warden refused satisfaction? (3) How Scrope justifies his course ? (5) What Scottish claims have been referred to the commissioners ? (5) What the causes were ? and (6) What reasons the Scots allege to the contrary ? He replies to the first three enquiries as appears in his correspondence with Cesford, adding that no justice has been done for Liddesdale since the fall of the late Regent Morton. To the fourth and fifth he replies that as Cesford demanded redress from him for some bills of Tynedale which was no part of his wardenry, he refused, unless Cesford agreed to make the like for hurts, which he utterly declined. To the sixth, he admits that he did make redress for Tynedale to the former keeper of Liddesdale, the Laird of Carmichael, but not of necessity, merely to gratify him, as he always concurred with Scrope in redress, "even him selfe bringing thoffendours to answeare justice within her Majesties castle of Carlisle."

pp. Contemporary official copy.

171. Forster to the Privy Council. [Aug. 4.]

I have received your letters of 23d ultimo, referring to the motion made by John Colvile in February last, that there should be meetings of the wardens to redress disorders, leaving greater causes to special commissioners,—which was very good, if anything on the part of Scotland had followed, as it did not, which the enclosed letters show. I gave notice as directed, to the opposite warden whose answer is dated 16th February. In reply to your several enquiries on matters referred or unsettled—"Your honours shall understande, that fyrst, for slawghters comitted on other syde which are more odious, bothe before God and men then the stealinge of ane oxe or a sheepe or suche like, beinge hertofore referred to the princes and commissioners, the warden of the opposite realme doth refuse to make delyverance for or se the same redressed in delyveringe a quick man for a dead,"—as appears by a letter of Mr Bowes ambassador in Scotland of 26th September 1578; secondly "the takinge awaye of vowinge of billes," without which no justice can be done, "for the partie that wants the goods canne gett no redres nor restitucion for them, thoghe he canne never so manifestly prove the same by his owne contrie men, except he gett one of the opposyte realme to avowe the stealinge upon the stealer therof—which dothe growe unto suche feedes amonge the disordered and broken people of the Borders of Scotlande that verie fewe canne gett any to avowe any bill upon them." I have often offered to interchange rolls with the opposite warden and to "speare, fyle and delyver for all within myne office, he doinge the like"—but he refuses, as I can prove, my object being to do away with perjury, and help men to their own, which is hard to do, unless the princes make it felony on both sides; thirdly the disobedience of Liddesdale and West Teviotdale—especially the former, under the rule of the warden of the Middle Marches, from whom I can get no redress "since the accident at the Read Swier," but only fair promises and letters, some of which I enclose. "I could have sent a greate manie mo to the same effect, but becawse they are over tedious for your honours to peruse," I thought these will show your honours how justice has been protracted by the Scots—begging they may be returned, that I may have them in case any meeting of commissioners takes place. And in answer to your enquiry if the Scots have any complaints unsatisfied, I have always been ready to answer to their demands under the treaties of peace, and so will prove. At my house nigh Alnwick. Signed: John Forster.

pp. Addressed. Indorsed: "4th August 1583. Sir John Forster with 22 parcels of lettres and papers."

172. Scrope to Walsingham. [Aug. 20.]

"Hearing of your present repayre into the realme of Scotlande, . . . having also the conveyencie of this bearer, . . . wherein you shall come to deale with the King and counsell there, I doe hartelie praye you to signifye unto me what course you thincke is metest for me to kepe and cause to be observed on these Borders."

The soldiers on the border have prevented the Liddesdales doing any thing of much account, but I must pray you, if the warrant for the 200l. for which I wrote before, is not yet directed to Mr Bradill, that you will move my lords for it by letter. I would be glad to meet you at Newcastle on your return from Scotland on convenient notice, to confer with you. Carlisle. Signed: H. Scrope.

1 p. Addressed. Indorsed.