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James I: November 1610

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Calendar of State Papers, Ireland, 1608-1610. Originally published by Longman and Co, London, 1874.

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James I: November 1610

906. Roger Worth's Deposition. [Nov. 9.] Carew Papers, vol. 619, p. 119.

The Examination of Roger Worth of Donderry, in the county of Cork, yeoman, sworn and deposed thereunto before Sir Richard Morison, Knight, Vice-President of the Province of Munster.

Confesseth that, being Marshal, he went on board of Baughe's ship, according to the accusation. When there, he received certain trifles only. Averreth that he was never aboard any other pirate before or since.

P. 1. Copy.

907. Viscount Butler to Salisbury. [Nov. 10.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 229, 135 A.

It has been given out in this kingdom that projects were preferred lately to the King's Majesty that now is, tending to the overthrow of all the noble houses of this realm, and plotting the weakening and suppressing of them by many ways and means. Henry Sheath (Shea), now Mayor of Kilkenny, and formerly steward to his (Viscount Butler's) fatherin-law, the Earl of Ormond, acquainted him with this, with whom he dealt earnestly for sight of the copy, which (he said) was brought out of England, together with his name that brought it, which Sheath promised him, but performed not, howsoever it happened. At first imagined it was a device of some ill-disposed people to see what impression it would take in the hearts of the subject here; and he is the more induced so to believe this, that he could never since attain to the knowledge of the one nor other. Leaves it to his Lordship's consideration whether inquiries should be made by the Lord Deputy and Council about this matter; at all events, requests that his name may not be brought in question here about this business more than shall need, or he may chance not be told of news another time.—Carrick, 10 November 1610.

Pp. 2. Signed. Add. Endd.: "Concerning a report in Ireland of some course to be taken here against the Irish nobility."

908. Sir Arthur Chichester to the Attorney or SolicitorGeneral. [Nov. 16.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 330.

Warrant to draw forth a fiant of a grant by letters patent to Sir Francis Rush, Knight, his heirs and assigns, of the rectories, tithes, allteradges, and other spiritual possessions of the late dissolved abbey or monastery of Balliboggan, cos. Meath, Westmeath, and King's County, in pursuance of the King's letters of 31 July 1610. Such possessions being contained in a lease of the premises formerly granted under the great seal to Edward Loftus and Richard Gifford.—Dublin Castle, 16 November 1610.

P. 1. Orig. Endd.: "Sir Francis Rush, Ballyboggan."

909. Sir Arthur Chichester to Sir John Davys. [Nov. 19.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 328.

Warrant to make out a fiant of the renewing of the charter of the town of Kinsale, with a confirmation of their privileges, and an enlargement of other reasonable franchises; according to the tenor of the letter of the Privy Council of 19 January 1608.—Dublin, 19 November 1610.

P. 1. Orig. Endd.: "Kinsale charter to be renewed, 1610."

910. Sir John Davys to Salisbury. [Nov. 22.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 229, 136.

They have here this term the greatest appearance and confluence of people in this town that he has seen during his seven years' service in this kingdom; for all the natives and servitors of Ulster are come up, and earnestly solicit the passing of their letters patent, as well for the small as the greater proportions;—insomuch that they now conceive a hope that he will be troubled with few complaints of the Irishry, who do not seem to value their allotments and think them worth the taking.

This very afternoon my Lord Deputy called into the Council Chamber as many Lords of Parliament as are now in town, and divers principal knights and gentlemen of every province, and acquainted them with His Majesty's purpose of summoning and holding a Parliament this next year, advising them to consider among themselves what acts they would have propounded for the general good of the Commonwealth; since his Lordship and the Council have a desire to recommend to His Majesty and their Lordships such propositions as they shall make for the good of the realm, together with the bills or forms of acts which the State here has a purpose to transmit. This motion they all took in very good part, and seemed exceedingly well satisfied therewith and promised to return their propositions before the beginning of the next term.—22 November.

P. 1. Signed. Add. Endd.

911. Lords of the Council to Sir Arthur Chichester. [Nov. 25.] Philad. P., vol. 4, p. 97.

Refer to their former letters concerning the suit depending between Sir Robert Digby and the Earl of Kildare, whereby the King, in order to end so chargeable a suit, undertook to hear the cause himself, and directed both parties with their own consent to repair to court for that purpose, and that all proceedings at law should be stayed. But Sir Robert Digby has informed them that, since his coming over to England and in his absence, the Earl, upon the death of the old Countess, intruded himself into most of the lands of the Earldom, and at other times, contrary to the express orders made at the Council Table there, has sought forcibly to evict the possession of certain lands from his tenants, who were established therein by the said order; that he went himself in person to some of the lands, and first by threats forced the Irish to attorn tenants to him, and left a guard of loose people to hinder Sir Robert from taking lawful distress for his rents, and also at another time took away his corn violently; and when he (Sir Robert) complained of these and other oppressions, the Earl then pretended that he would come over and answer these complaints here in England. Whereupon Sir Robert Digby making his repair hither, the Earl laid an ambush about his (Sir Robert Digby's) own castle, where he left his family, with the purpose to enter by force and to dispossess him. On the other part, the Earl, by his late letters, pretends that he lacks means to come over, and claims to have the suit determined in Ireland. His Majesty accordingly remits the cause to the tribunals in Ireland, with a strict charge, that, if any prejudice has been sustained by Sir Robert Digby by occasion of his absence, he shall be restored to the state he was in before his departure; and that he (Sir Arthur Chichester) shall take order to have an impartial jury, as he must have experience of the inclination of the common sort of folk to incline to the greatness and continuance of the males of noble families in Ireland. They also transmit the papers in the cause.—Whitehall, 25 November 1610.

Signed: T. Ellesmere, Canc., R. Salisbury, H. Northampton, Lenox, T. Suffolk, Gilb. Shrewsbury, E. Worcester, Exeter, W. Knollys, E. Wotton, L. Stanhope, H. Bruce, J. Herbert, Jul. Cæsar, Thos. Parry.

Pp. 3. Add. Endd. by Sir Arthur Chichester: "Of the 25th of November 1610. From the Lords of the Councell, in the cause in difference betwyxt the Earle of Kyldare and Sir Robert Digby. Re. the 17th of December (at night, by the poast barque)."

912. Lords of the Council to Sir Arthur Chichester. [Nov. 25.] Philad P., vol. 4, p. 95.

Request him to see that Lord Roche be not further prejudiced in his suit against one John Power, in whose favour they (the Lords) had written a recommendatory letter, but never intended that it should prejudice Lord Roche.—Whitehall, 25 November 1610.

Signed: R. Salisbury, H. Northampton, T. Suffolke, Gilb. Shrewsbury, J. Herbert, Jul. Cæsar.

P. ½. Add. Endd. by Sir Arthur Chichester: "Of the 25th of November 1610. From the Lords of the Councell, to give waye to the Lord Roche to proceed in a cause dependinge in the Exchequer betwixt his Lop. and John Power, &c., stayed by former letters from their Lops. Re. the 18th of March."

913. Sir Arthur Chichester to Richard Coleman and Sir James Carroll. [Nov. 26.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 329.

Warrant by the Lord Deputy, Sir Arthur Chichester, to Richard Coleman and Sir James Carroll, Kt., Chief Remembrancers, to draw forth a fiant unto David Tirrey, Gent., of the wardship, body, lands, and marriage of Robert Meighe, son and heir of David Meighe, of Killmallock, co. Limerick, gent.—Dublin Castle, 26 November 1610.

P. 1. Orig. Endd.: "Meigh's wardship to David Tirrey."

914. Sir Arthur Chichester to Salisbury. [Nov. 30.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 229, 137.

Recommends the suit of Sir Garrett Moore for the fee-farm of several parcels of land and tithes he holds in this kingdom from His Majesty, for an estate of more than 70 years in that which is nearest expired, in other 80, and in some above a hundred. He is already known to him (Salisbury) and is able to give furtherance to His Majesty's designs on the borders of Ulster as much as any man in this kingdom, and thereof has given good testimony in the days of Tyrone's rebellion. Prays his Lordship to make the settlement of his mind and fortunes a work of his own time, that he and his posterity may be bound to serve and honour him and his in all ages.—Dublin Castle, 30 November 1610.

Pp. 2. Signed. Add. Endd.

915. Sir Arthur Chichester to [Salisbury]. [Nov. [ ].] S.P., Ireland, vol. 229, 135.

Has written so largely of the subject of the plantation in other letters that he might well spare him at this time, seeing the kingdom affords no other matter of substance to be imparted; but he is so intently bound to his Lordship for favours, that he should condemn himself for neglect of duty if he should leave any occurrant here either in the general or particular unrevealed unto him.

For the instruments of the plantation, viz., the British undertakers: those from England are, for the most part, plain country gentlemen, who may promise much, but give small assurance or hope of performing what appertains to a work of such moment. If they have money, they keep it close; for hitherto they have disbursed but little, and, if he may judge by the outward appearance, the least trouble or alteration of the times here will scare most of them away. It is said by themselves that since the denomi nation of the parties at first by the Lords that were undertakers, some have exchanged their portions and others sold them outright; in one precinct of those that have appeared, two are churchmen and one a youth of some 18 or 19 years old, whose names he has noted in the schedule sent by Sir Oliver Lambert.

The Scottish come with greater port and better accompanied and attended, but it may be with less money in their purses; for some of the principal of them, upon their first entrance into their precincts, were forthwith in hand with the natives to supply their wants, or at least their expenses, and in recompense thereof promise to get license from His Majesty that they may remain upon their lands as tenants unto them; which is so pleasing to that people that they will strain themselves to the uttermost to gratify them, for they are content to become tenants to any man rather than be removed from the place of their birth and education, hoping, as he conceives, at one time or other to find an opportunity to cut their landlord's throats; for sure he is they hate the Scottish deadly, and out of their malice towards them they begin to affect the English better than they have been accustomed.

They sell away both corn and cattle, and when they are demanded why they do so, their answer is that they know not what else to do with them nor to what place to carry them, the portion of land assigned to each of them being too little to receive and feed the goods he has for his own particular. They seek by all means to arm themselves, and have undoubtedly some pieces in store, and more pikes, and thereof can make more daily; but powder and lead is scarce with them. Will do his best to prevent their revolt, but greatly doubts it, for they are infinitely discontented. Has lately received some letters from the King in behalf of some Scottish gentlemen. One of them he conceives was gotten upon his misinformation, for the gentleman whom they concern, named Meldrome, told him that he was never in this kingdom until now that he brought those letters, but had served in the Low Countries, where he (Sir Arther) hears he was an ensign.

Has delivered the letters to Sir Oliver Lambert to present to his Lordship, if he pleases to peruse them. Is not against the gentlemen's advancements or any good it shall please His Majesty to do them; but if this course be continued, the ancienter captains and of far better worth and desert here, will be disappointed and discouraged many ways, to the hurt and hindrance of His Majesty's service, and the Deputy will be disabled to reward any man for his deserts and services, which may in time prove an inconvenience not to be helped; for it is but of late years that men of understanding and knowledge in the wars put themselves into the service of this kingdom, and being forced to withdraw themselves will hardly be brought hither again, wherewith he thinks it not unfit to acquaint his Lordship, albeit he conceives he can hardly prevent it.

Sends his Lordship the copy of his letters to His Majesty. If he allows of the contents, he has requested Sir Oliver Lambert to deliver them, otherwise to detain them as his Lordship shall direct him. Has likewise committed him some few notes of remembrance, and to such of them as he thinks fit, humbly craves his answer and directions.

Makes choice to send by him at this time, albeit he knows he is not the best orator; but he is well acquainted with the country and the condition of the people, having long travelled and bled in the business here when it was at the worst, and has seen many alterations since he came first into the land. They are now all of them become builders and planters here, and not wasters and destroyers, as in their younger years, and would gladly rest in quiet if their ill neighbours will permit them; and that makes them the more studious to prevent their revolt, and to settle peace and quietness among them. He (Sir Oliver Lambert) has made a fair and strong building upon as thievish and disordered a border as any in Leinster, which is a great comfort to the good and a great disheartening to the bad neighbours of those parts, and is many other ways industrious and able to do the King good service.—Dublin Castle, [ ] November 1610.

Pp. 4. Signed. Encloses,

916. Lord Deputy to the King. S.P., Ireland, vol. 229, 135 I.

Copy of No. 904.—Dublin, 31 October 1610.

Pp. 2. Endd.

917. The Case of the Fishing of the Bann. [Nov.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 65.

Sir John Davys's notes for his argument in the case of the royal fishery of the River Ban. Michaelmas term, 8° Jac. [A.D. 1610], Sir John Davys's Reports, p. 55. (fn. 1)

Footnotes

  • 1. Le Primer Report des Cases et Matters en Ley resolues et adjudges en les Courts del Roy en Ireland. Collect et digest per Sr John Davys, chivaler, Atturny-General del Roy en cest Realme. Liber librum aperit. Folio. London. 1628.