Venice: August 1533

Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 4, 1527-1533. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1871.

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'Venice: August 1533', Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 4, 1527-1533, (London, 1871), pp. 441-446. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/venice/vol4/pp441-446 [accessed 15 June 2024].

. "Venice: August 1533", in Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 4, 1527-1533, (London, 1871) 441-446. British History Online, accessed June 15, 2024, https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/venice/vol4/pp441-446.

. "Venice: August 1533", Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 4, 1527-1533, (London, 1871). 441-446. British History Online. Web. 15 June 2024, https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/venice/vol4/pp441-446.

August 1533

Aug. 3. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 415. 962. The Same to the Same.
The English ambassador has told me that the league (sir) with Scotland for a year will not take place, the commissioners and ambassadors who had assembled at Newcastle for this purpose having departed, because the King of Scotland insisted that the castle in dispute should be placed in his hands, to which the King of England would not consent.
Toulouse, 3rd August. Registered, by Sanuto 5th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 6. Sanuto Diaries (Originals), v. lviii. 963. Marco Antonio Contarini, Venetian Ambassador with the Emperor, to the Signory.
At the end of last month, a gentleman arrived from England, having been sent by the King to justify the new marriage made. He has not yet been despatched, owing to the Emperor's occupations, and because he (the envoy) has been ill of fever.
Barbastro, 6th August. Registered by Sanuto 11th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 9. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 363. 964. Marco Antonio Venier to the Signory.
Letters from England announce that the Archbishop of Canterbury had pronounced a sentence in favour of the King of England, prohibiting Queen Katharine to he any longer named Queen; and was having it proclaimed throughout the realm that she is not to be named Queen, so that she may not be able to defend herself; and her daughter has been admonished not to interfere.
Yesterday in Consistory, the Pope had the letter read, saying it was a very important matter for the honour of the Apostolic See; and he ordered a monition against the King, in accordance with (dependente da) the other made against the innovations (attentati) so that he may desist from this act, and obey the sentence.
The English ambassadors have received advices that the Duke of Norfolk, on hearing of the sentence passed here in Home, determined to return to England.
Rome, 9th August. Registered by Sanuto 17th August.
[Italian.]
Aug. 11. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 415. 965. Carlo Capello to the Signory.
Writes by a courier who is going to the Duke of Norfolk, and then to Rome.
Every day confirms the suspicion of the English Government about this congress, and when discussing it with Mons. de Beauvoir, he told me the King of England wrote to his most Christian Majesty not to hold it.
On Sunday the Imperial ambassador went to the Court with Dom. Zuam, the secretary of the Queen Maria [of Hungary], he having come from Flanders about commercial disputes. The King paid them great honour (fo molto honorati dal Rè.)
London, 11th August. Registered by Sanuto 5th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 13. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 413. 966. Marin Giustinian to the Signory.
On the 10th, the Lord Steward departed from Carcassone for Marseilles, with the Bishop of Faenza; and the Count of Touar (sic) for Rome.
The English ambassador says that his King, being disquieted by the sentence passed by the Pope, has given leave to the Duke of Norfolk to return to England; and it is said that the usual ambassador in ordinary will remain here alone, and the Duke will meet the most Christian King, to take leave of him.
It is said universally, that the congress will not take place at Nice, because the Duke of Savoy will not give that fortress to the Pope, but the conference will be held at Marseilles.
Narbonne, 13th August. Registered by Sanuto 5th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 14. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviil. p. 371. 967. Marco Antonio Venier to the Signory.
The day before yesterday, letters arrived from the English King to his ambassadors to the effect that as there was no occasion to do anything further here at the Court about the marriage, and as a declaration had been made contrary to their intention, the Rev. Dom. Dr. Benet, the Englishman, was to take leave of the Pope and depart, and that the Papal Auditor [Ghinucci] and Sir Gregory Casal, also his ambassadors, are to remain without negotiating anything; wherefore Dr. Benet went to the Pope to ask his leave. His Holiness, “senza far alcuna alteratiom” told him to do as he pleased, but to speak to him before he departed; and so yesterday in Consistory the Pope proposed the matter, telling the Cardinals to counsel him whether he should recall his Nuncio from England. They answered him, that he was the common father, and therefore should not recall him, but that if dismissed, he was to depart.
Has heard that the Duke of Norfolk was returning to England, and that when he went to France, it was at the persuasion of the most Christian King, for the purpose of uniting with the Pope, and this did not please [the King of] England. (A inteso eh'el Ducha di Norfolch tornava in Anglia, et che quando andò, fo persuaso dal Rè Christianissimo a mandarlo, stringendosi co'l Papa, et non li piaceva Anglia questo.)
It is supposed that the King [of France?] has written to England.
The advocate of Queen Katharine appeared in the above-mentioned Consistory and insisted on proceeding against the King. His Holiness did not think fit to do more (non li parse a soa Beatitudine di fa altro).
The Cardinal de Tournon did not attend the Consistory.
Rome, 14th August. Registered by Sanuto 17th August
[Italian.]
Aug. 15. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 460. 968. Carlo Capello to the Signory.
Has heard that the King's messenger, despatched as written by him, was sent to Rome to recall the English ambassadors there, with the exception of Dr. Boner, and that the King appeals to the future Council against the acts passed by the Pope in the matter of the divorce.
This evening his Majesty received letters from the Duke of Norfolk, who writes that the conference between the Pope and the most Christian King will take place, and that the Pope—as told the Duke by his most Christian Majesty—does not choose any one to be present there in the name of the King of England; so the Duke was departing on his way home.
The secretary of Mons. de Beauvoir, the French ambassador, has returned from Scotland. He went with the French ambassadors resident here to the King, and I understand he has returned without any settlement, and affairs there remain in confusion.
In the Downs, off Dover, there lately appeared twenty-two sail of Dantzikers (di Dans) who have captured some of their smacks (scute) laden with merchandise; and in the neighbourhood there are also some of his Majesty's ships.
I am assured that the King has sent agents to Germany to subsidize 8,000 Lansquenets, and that he has a good understanding with the King of Denmark, and with Germany; and it is said that there will soon be novelty and war in these parts.
London, 15th August. Registered by Sanuto 26th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 17. Sanuto Diaries (Originals), v. lviii. 969. Marco Venier to the Signory.
His Holiness told me that the most Christian King had written to the King of England, urging him to act with the least resentment possible concerning the sentence passed in Consistory, and that the Duke of Norfolk sent Sir Francis Bryan [Maistro Briant] to the most Christian King for a positive reply to the letters written to him by the English King. His Majesty answered that it was unnecessary, as since the sentence he had addressed another letter to the King of England, and would await the reply before writing again. The Pope then continued, “I am of opinion they are debating whether said Duke is to attend the conference at Nice or not, or whether some other person should be sent thither on behalf of England.”
The English ambassador, Dr. Benet, will depart hence in four days, on his return to England. I visited him; he was my friend so long ago as when I was ambassador in England; I recommended our Flanders galleys to him. (fn. 1)
The Pope reposed very tranquilly last night, his pains diminishing, but he is still in bed. Tomorrow he is sending D. Jacomo Hironimi, his private chamber attendant (camarier secreto) and old confidant (antiquo familiar) to hasten the preparations for the departure of the young Duchess to Nice, with orders for him to proceed subsequently to the Duke of Savoy, to obtain the consignment of the castle of Nice, which the Duke does not choose to have placed in the hands of the most Christian King; and he is then to go on to Nice to his Majesty, to see what provision is being made for the Pope's going thither, and to speed what is requisite for that purpose.
Rome, 17th August. Registered by Sanuto 21st August.
[Italian.]
Aug. 21. Sanuto Diaries (Originals), v. lviii. 970. Marco Venier to the Signory.
The Pope tells me that the business of the ambassador from the King of the Romans who came hither post-wise, related to the affairs of Queen Katharine of England, and on finding them settled, he returned post-wise.
His Holiness said the most Christian King would keep the Duke of Norfolk with him, until a reply arrives from the King of England.
Rome, 21st August. Registered by Sanuto 28th August.
[Italian.]
Aug. 23. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. p. 460. 971. Carlo Capello to the Signory.
The arrangements with Scotland are procrastinated. The King of England is preparing for war, by sea and land. The French ambassadors are expecting one of their secretaries whom they sent to the most Christian King, and there is little hope of an adjustment. Orders have been despatched over the island to provide a greater number of ships of war. (fn. 2)
The ships of the Easterlings (de Sterlini) have taken many of the Flemings and Spaniards, whom they treated very cruelly. They have now quitted this island.
There are letters from the Duke of Norfolk, dated St. Esprit, near Avignon. The ministry here (questi) say that the conference between the Pope and the most Christian King will not take place. The Duke was awaiting his Majesty, to speak to him, and commence his journey towards England.
The revenues of Cardinal Campeggio's bishopric of Salisbury, v amounting to upwards of 5,000 ducats annual revenue, have been sequestered (suspeso); and the auditor of his [Ghinucci's?] bishopric of Worcester—one [Hugh] Latimer heretofore accused of Lutheranism,—seems to be preaching publicly against the Pope and the Papal power, so that things against the Pope are done here daily.
A reply is awaited from Germany.
Yesterday the King and Queen came to Westminster, and Thursday next they will go to Greenwich, where most honourable preparations are being made for the delivery (parto); and the nobility here are making ready to joust and give entertainments.
London, 23rd August. Registered by Sanuto 26th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 23. Lettere del Collegio (Secreta), File no. 13. 972. The Doge and College to Carlo Capello, Ambassador in England.
Send the summary of letters, received from the ambassadors and their Bailiff at Constantinople, dated the 16th ultimo, for communication to the King.
They also inform him that the report of the departure of the Imperial fleet from Cephalonia continues.
[Italian.]
Aug. 25. Sanuto Diaries, v. lviii. pp. 426- 427. 973. Marin Giustinian to the Signory.
The Duke of Norfolk came hither to take leave of the most Christian King, and return to England. He brought with him the Duke of Richmond, his English Majesty's natural son, under pretence (soto specie) of [his] going to consummate the marriage with his, the Duke's, daughter. (fn. 3)
Sir John Wallop, now resident at this Court, and Sir Francis Bryan, will remain here until the termination of the congress, and then go to England.
I visited both these Dukes, compliments being exchanged between us; and they said that his most Christian Majesty perseveres in giving all favour to the marriage newly contracted by their King.
Montpellier, 25th August. Registered by Sanuto 11th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 29. Sanuto Diaries (Originals), v. lviii. 974.—Basadona to the Signory.
Letters have been received from the Imperial ambassador at Montpellier, dated 20th August.
The congress with the Pope will be held at Marseilles.
The Duke of Norfolk has departed for England.
Milan, 29th August. Registered by Sanuto 5th September.
[Italian.]
Aug. 29. Sanuto Diaries (Originals), v. lviii. 975. Marin Giustinian to the Signory.
Sir Francis Bryan, one of the English ambassadors, told me that the new marriage of his King, and the repudiation of Queen Maria (sic) [Katharine], was all effected by the advice (con conseio) of the King of France, who at this congress will arrange his King's affairs, or else depart at enmity with the Pope (o si parterà inimico del Pupa).
These English ambassadors ask earnestly about the Flanders galleys.
I hear from Sir John Wallop, that a three weeks' truce has been made between the King of England and Scotland, to arrange certain disputed points (certi dubij).
D. Peter Vannes, the Pope's collector, and secretary of the King of England, is to come to this Court to be present at the congress with the other two ambassadors (Wallop and Bryan). (fn. 4)
Nismes, 29th August. Registered by Sanuto 26th September.
[Italian.]

Footnotes

  • 1. This gives the date of the departure from Rome of Dr. Benet, of which there is no notice in vol. vii. part 5. “State Papers,” where, at p. 513, it is stated that he died at Susa in September 1533 as writen, to Henry VIII. by his colleague Dr. Boner, who may therefore be supposed to have quitted Rome in his company.
  • 2. “È sta mandato all' Isola per proveder di maior numero di nave da guerra.”
  • 3. Concerning the betrothal of Lady Mary Howard to the Duke of Richmond, see Nott's Works of Surrey and Wyatt, vol. i. p. 28, where it is stated that the dispensation for the marriage bears date the 26th of November 1533.
  • 4. See letters of Vannes in “State Papers,” vol. vii. part v. continued, pp. 508–518, 519–522.