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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 1, 1509-1514. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1920.

'Henry VIII: October 1512, 1-15', in Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 1, 1509-1514, (London, 1920) pp. 648-657. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/letters-papers-hen8/vol1/pp648-657 [accessed 26 April 2024]

October 1512



1 Oct. S.P. Hen. VIII., 3, f. 6. R. O.	1416. [3445.] HERRING FLEET.
	"John Heron's accompte for waftynge of the herring fleet in the parties of Norfolk and Suffolk, anno quarto R. Henrici VIII."
	i. Receipts from Sir John Daunce, 28 Sept. 4 Hen. VIII., 870l., and from sale of victuals, 63l. 14s.
	ii. Account of "the victuals provided by John Shurley, cofferer of the King's most honorable household, and John Heron, supervisor of the King's customhouse in London, the 1st day of Oct. the 4th year of the reign of King Henry the VIII.th, for a relief of victual for the King's army upon the sea in whaftyng (wafting) of the herring fleet upon the coast of Norfolk and Suffolk where divers of the French ships of war lay."
	Provisions with costs, viz., biscuit 72,325lbs. at 5s. the 100, and straw to lay them on, from 39 bakers named; beef, from 6 butchers in Eastcheap, 11 in St. Nicholas Fleshambles, 2 in Aldgate, total 112 pipes; beer, from 12 brewers, at 6s. 8d. the pipe (p. 11); fish "gret drye code Hisselonde fishe," at 38s. 4d. every 124, from 2 fishmongers (p. 13); freight to 8 masters of vessels (p. 14); petty costs (p. 16); remanets (p. 19).
	"Costs done the 17th day of January, the 4th year of the reign of our Sovereign lord King Henry VIII., of victual sent aboard of the Mary Whalsyngam, to be conveyed into Flanders to the karyke (fn. 1) then being there" (p. 21).
	Total allowances, 758l. 15s. 6d. Signed as examined by G. Dalyson.
	Pp. 20.
1 Oct. Sanuto, xv., 326.	1417. VENICE.
	[Note of letters deciphered, 10 Nov. 1512.]
	From Andrea Badoer, London, 1 Oct.—Presented the Signory's letter to the King, who was much pleased. Relates conversation with Monsignor di Glocestre and Monsignor di Durant, lords of the Parliament, one of whom has gone ambassador to Scotland; who said they heard that the Emperor wishes to put Maximilian Sforza into Milan and restore to him Brescia, Crema and Bergamo, and the King was sorry that the Signory should suffer loss. They will recal their fleet and army, being dissatisfied because the Spaniards were seeking to make themselves masters of Navarre and not to capture Bayonne.
	Italian. See Venetian Calendar, II, No. 205.
2 Oct. Exch. Accts., 517 (24). R. O.	1418. JOHN TOLY.
	Indenture of agreement made "the second day of Octo[ber] . .te yer" * * * betwixt John Toly, on the one part, and John and Roger Metcalff on the other, at the instance of Thomas earl of Surrey, treasurer and marshal of England, the King's lieutenant general in the North parts, in their dispute about the auditorship of lands pertaining to the Duchy of York and the Earldom of Warwick and Salisbury. Toly permits the Metcalffs to be joined with him in the patent of the office of auditorship of the lordships of Midlam, Richemond and Barnardcastell, parcel of the said Earldom, and will endeavour to obtain letters patent of the "said office" of auditorship of Midlam, Richemond, Barneycastell and Sheryffhoton, under the King's broad seal. Signatures (copied) of the Metcalffs.
	ii. "The transcript of the letters patent delivered unto Roger Metkalff and John Metkalff in anno primo H. viij.^vi by John Tolley for their authority," viz., an appointment of Tolley and the Metkalffs as auditors of all lands of the Duchy of York [and] Earldom of Warwick and Salisbury beyond Trent, Tolley for life and the others during pleasure, to hold the office jointly and severally as the said John and Roger Metkalff and John Clerk, dec., held it. Westm., 18 July anno primo.
	Copies, large paper, pp. 3.
3 Oct.	1419. CROWLAND ABBEY.
	Election. See GRANTS IN OCTOBER, NO. 1.
3 Oct. Exch. Accts., 55 (28). R. O.	1420. ORDNANCE.
	Account of Sir John Cutte of receipts and payments for "habiliments of war" from [21] Oct. 1 Hen. VIII. to _ (blank) day of _(blank) 4 Hen. VIII.
	Received from John Heron, various sums, by virtue of warrants of 21 Oct. and 17 Dec. 1 Hen. VIII., 25 Oct. 3 Hen. VIII. and—July and 3 Oct. 4 Hen. VIII.; total 10,165l. 4s. 9½d.
	Payments made under the following heads (referring for particulars to a "book of parcels"), viz., copper, tin, carriage, gun wheels and iron work, casting of guns, saltpetre made (by Francis Mertynes and Nic. Farnandus, Spaniards), saltpetre bought, hacbusshes (bought by John Pownde, alias Somerset herald, from Sigismond Foyte), bowstaves, marispikes, gunpowder making, brimstone, Cologne "clyftes," demi-lances, freights, gunpowder, Nic. Heynes riding with a letter to my lord Steward from my lord Chamberlain, lead, Spanish iron, conveyance of stuff to Calais, four dinners for the lords of the Council at Black Friars and Baynardes Castell, and prests of 200l. to John Hereford, customer of Plymouth and Fowey, and 500l. to Sir Sampson Norton. Total payments 8,333l. 10s. 8d.; leaving in Cutte's hands 1,831l. 14s. 1½d. to be employed "as case shall require" upon like habiliments.
	Paper roll, slightly mutilated.
3 Oct. Galba B. III., 49. B.M.	1421. [3446.] [YOUNG, BOLEYN and WINGFIELD to HENRY VIII.]
	Wrote last on the 28th. The Gueldrois 14 days ago did much harm in these parts, but not without some good effect, for the inhabitants that were in a manner fast asleep are now awake. The towns have paid the wages of the Prince's soldiers, who had left the frontiers for want of pay, and had quartered themselves on the poor villagers. An encounter has taken place between some reinforcements sent to Gueldres by the French and the people of Liege. Two prisoners have been taken, who offer 9,000 crowns for their ransom. My Lady has received news from the Emperor that he will be at Brussels or Antwerp on the 15th; the Duke of Brunswick will enter Gueldres on the 10th, with 1,500 foot and 600 horse. Spinelly writes other news. Mechlin, 3 Oct.
	Mutilated, p. 1. From a letter book.
4 Oct. Vesp. C., I., 81. B.M. Ellis. 2 S. I., 194.	1422. [3451.] KNIGHT to WOLSEY.
	On the 28th Aug. it was resolved in the Council that he and William Kingston should be sent into England to excuse their return. Sir William Sands and a few opposed it, saying Wolsey was the cause of all this mischief, that Knight was in his favor, and if he went to England he would so represent matters to the King as to cause their further abiding there. He and Kingston had forthwith taken shipping at St. Sebastian, but after a tempest of 6 days had been compelled to return, and, hearing that letters were come from England, had returned to the Marquis. Found letters for himself from the King and Wolsey, both opened. Little regard is paid to the King's letter. News has come from the King of Aragon that his army awaits ours at St. John Pie de la Porte. On this the Council assembled at Renteria, where my Lord Broke lies, when Knight argued against their departing, and the displeasure they would thereby incur. "Whereupon, like a noble man, my Lord Howard said that in case he might have a meetly company with him he would endure this winter war, and gladlier he would die for the honor of his master, the realm, and himself, than, contrary to the King's commandment, with rebuke and shame, return into England." Hearing this, one stole out of the chamber, and told Lord Broke's company that if the commonalty did not resist they would all have to go into Bierne. Great uproar ensued. Knight's life was threatened. Lord Howard and Sir Maurice Berkley, at their coming, can explain all. Things are out of order. The King unlovingly served by certain parties. Great dissimulation is required, "for I promise you, in my mind, here be many light men." On returning to the sea he and Kingston were obliged again to put back from stress of weather. Has therefore told the Marquis that he cannot endure the seas and intends to tarry till summer in the court of the King of Aragon. Does not in truth like to bring the message to England; for their departure and the winter's abstinence will give the French King commodity to "break the league between some of King's confederation and him." Begs Wolsey to procure him some occupation here or in Italy. Has lost all his provisions by salt water, and in all his ridings has received no recompense. Entreats Wolsey not to notice to those inculpated what he says in his letters; he can learn the truth from Lord Howard, Mr. Hatticlif, and Richmond Herald. The Spaniards have shown great readiness, and passed their artillery across the mountains. The King of Aragon intreated the noblemen to stay, saying he only wanted their names as Englishmen,—he had troops enough of his own. The King must be comforted in the disappointment, for he has obtained the chief of his wishes, the deliverance of the Church from the French, the assurance of the kingdom of Navarre, without which Guienne could neither be taken nor held, the title of the Most Christian King, and great experience. Their enemies were men of long continuance in war, full of policy, and privy to all our deeds, "and we clean contrary." Discipline was so badly kept they might at any time have been crushed. Victuals were untruly served. Heard Sir Henry Willoughby say that of 8,000 bows not 200 were sufficient. It is no use blaming anybody, as it would end in mutual recrimination, which is not expedient at this time. Sends a letter he had received from Edward Hatticlif. The great men of England say that Wolsey is the author of the war, and the ill success of it must be attributed to him. Begs him to be cautious. The bearer of this letter is son-in-law to John Style. The army will soon be on their way, as ships are provided, and biscuit is almost baked. Thinks their proceedings very rash, and it would be well if they met with Sir Edward Howard, as the French fleet is great. In August 47 ships had started from Brest for the west of England, 15 for Ireland, 15 for Gallicia, and 10 remained on the coast of Brittany. The 47 have since returned to Brest and 6 galleys have lately come from Italy, bringing "gay artilliarie owte of Italie, as there was none in all Fraunce." A knight of the order of St. John is their captain. The Spanish fleet appeared at Fontarabia on our Lady Day the Assumption and is thought to have since joined the English. St. Sevastian's, 4 Oct.
	Hol., pp. 8.
6 Oct. Egerton, 616, f. 54. B.M.	1423. [3452.] HENRY VIII. to FERDINAND OF ARAGON.
	John Cavalcanti, a Florentine merchant, having by Henry's commission obtained a certain quantity of sulphur and saltpetre from Naples, and shipped it in a vessel called the St. James, of Francis de Lares of Halicant, the ship was seized on its arrival in Spain by Ferdinand's officers. Requests that it may be released, as the goods are necessary for their joint expedition. Greenwich, 6 Oct. 1512. Signature cut off.
	Lat., p. 1. Sealed and add.
6 Oct. Calais Controllers' Accts., II., p. 87. R.O.	1424. CALAIS ACCOUNTS.
	Sir Hugh Conway's account, as treasurer of Calais, for the year ending Mich. 4 Hen. VIII.
	Compare Nos. 193 (3), 589 (3) and 893 (2), with the last of which upon comparison we note:—
	i. (2) 3,979 sacks, 11 cloves; 407,826 woolfells; the Customer paid Colepeper, Nele and Bote (cp. No. 589) the proceeds towards counter muring. (3) 4,872 sacks, 31 cloves; 800 cloves of "brekling"; 326,711 woolfells. (4) Richard Chafer, mayor. (5) Sir Richard Wyngfeld, marshal. (8) Nil because Cokeson, by pat. 21 May 4 Hen. VIII., has the office free. (10) Walter Colepeper, bailiff.
	ii. (1) Cancelled. (3) Hawardyn till 3 Nov., Walter Colepeper, by pat. 11 Nov. 3 Hen. VIII., from 11 Nov. onwards. (4) Cancelled. (11) Annuity only. (17) Wyngfeld, marshal. (18) Paid to Charles Clifford, one of the King's spears, captain of the Calais ship John Baptist, on letters missive (recited), Greenwich 13 Feb. a^o 4^o, wages for himself as spear and his three men, 3s. 4d. a day for one year from 1 Feb. a^o 4^o, 60l. 16s. 8d.; to Charles Clyfford and Henry Hunt, upon privy seal, Greenwich, 9 Feb. a^o 4, for wages of himself, 59 soldiers and 40 sailors for one month, 26l. 17s. in money of England which makes at the rate of the table of Calais 29l. 10s. 8d. st. table; also for victualling the ship John Baptist of Calais 6 March to 17 April a^o 4^o, 44l. st. table; to Sir. Nic. Vaux, on p.s. Windsor, 7 Sept. a^o 4^o, for repairs at Guisnes, 200l.; to Wm. Horsley and John Holmes, on letters missive dated Tiroan 29 Aug. a^o 5^o, for making serpentine powder, 200l.; to Barth. Tate, on p.s. Greenwich 18 April a^o 3^o, 33l. 9s. 2d.; to Ralph Broke, on p.s. Greenwich 22 March a^o 4^o, 33l. 9s. 2d.; to William Stafford, on p.s. Greenwich, 14 May a^o 5^o, 33l. 9s. 2d.; costs of divers men called pursuivants bringing letters to the King and passage of divers budgets from Calais to England from Rome, Brabant, Almain and Flanders, from 21 Dec. a^o 4^o to 21 March following, 9l. 13s. 4d.; to Francis de Taxis on p.s. Calais, 2 July a^o 5^o, for wages of two men called posts lying between Brussels and Calais, from 11 July to Mich. a^o 4^o, 7l. 18s.; [to Sir John Pecche, for provision of oats and hay against the King's coming to Calais, 20l.] (fn. 2); to Thomas Spinelly on p.s. Westm., 7 Feb. a^o 3^o, for six posts lying between Meghlen and Calais, at 18d. a day, from 11 Jan. a^o 3^o until Mich. following, 85l. 12s. 8½d.; to Francis de Taxis for 24 "bogettes" for carrying the King's letters as certified by Sir Gilbert Talbot, deputy, 40s.; [for tonnage of the John Baptist, captain Sir Richard Cavendisshe, in the parts of Scotland for the time of the war, from 1 June to 30 Sept. a^o 4^o]. (fn. 3)
	(27) Omitted. New entry.—(36) Annuity of Ralph Broke, by pat. 7 Feb. 5 Hen. VIII., whole year, 13l. 6s. 8d.; [also a reward of 60l.]†
	Lat., pp. 58.
Calais Controllers' Accts., II., p. 77. R.O.	2. Sir Hugh Conwey's garrison account for the year ending 6 Oct. 4 Hen. VIII.
	Compare Nos. 193 (2), 589 (2) and 893, with the last of which this is nearly identical.
	Lat., pp. 5.
Ib., p. 1. R.O.	3. Controller's (Sir John Wylsher's) duplicate of § 1 and § 2 combined.
	Lat., pp. 71.
6 Oct. Sanuto, XV., 175.	1425. VENICE.
	Discussion by the Sages of Venice, on 6 Oct. 1512, of a proposed letter to the ambassador in England to urge that King to persevere with Spain against France. It was finally decided to wait and see what the Spaniards in the Veronese would do.
	Italian.
6 Oct. Ven. Transcr., 176, p. 125. R.O.	1426. DOGE OF VENICE to MAXIMILIAN.
	6 Oct. 1512.—Jo Bapt. Spinelli, count of Cariati, Spanish ambassador, has just declared things from the Emperor which the Doge was sorry to hear, only because they were able to perturb the Emperor, for as to the matter itself it is altogether untrue and incredible. Perhaps Capello in his ignorance of the language may have used some expression which was misunderstood.
	Latin. Modern copy, pp. 2. See Venetian Calendar, II, No. 197.
7 Oct. S.P. Hen. VIII., 3, f. 22. R.O.	1427. [5749.] ORDNANCE.
	Payments by Sir Sampson Norton, master of the Ordnance, from 24 Aug. 3 Hen. VIII. to 7 Oct. 4 Hen. VIII., viz., for arrows, gunpowder, &c. Part of the provision of arrows was by order of George earl of Shrewsbury and Sir Thomas Lovell. A prest of 10l. was delivered to Walter Hendy, on 24 Aug. 3 Hen. VIII., towards provision of arrows "to be made throughout all the shires of England." There is a payment for mending the King's bows at Porchester, 3 May, 4 Hen. VIII.
	Pp. 5.
8 Oct. Ib., f. 26. R.O.	1428. [3457.] DIET AT COLOGNE.
	Majestatis imperatoriæ generalisque concilii Imperii conclusio et ordinatio, facta Coloniæ in conventu principum ultimo celebrato anno xij^o.
	1–4. In reference to a subsidy granted for the necessities of the Empire; 5 and 6. the appointment of a committee of eight to assist the Emperor and hear complaints; 7. that in the event of any dangers happening to the Empire from France and the Papal confederacy, the said counsellors shall attend the Emperor, and have a monthly salary of 12 florins for their horse, and double pay for themselves; 8 and 9, arrangements for the same; 10. sq., their oath of fealty.
	"Translatæ ex Alemanno in Latinum."
	ii. "Renovatio commissionum comitum palatinorum et notariorum, traducta ex alto Alemanno in Latinum." Cologne, 8 Oct. 1512.
	Lat., pp. 11.
8 Oct. Vitell. B., II., 30. B.M.	1429. [3456.] FRANCISCUS DE BRISCIA BP. OF FAMAGOSTA to HENRY VIII.
	Bearer, brother Peter de Silva, is a holy man of Famagosta in the realm of Cyprus (Ciplis), 300 miles from Jerusalem, and of the race of Queen Elizabeth, who used to write to him, and send him alms. He brings certain relics: sc. 1, part of Christ's sponge; 2, of the vessel in which He washed his Apostles' feet; 3, a piece of the Holy Sepulchre; 4, of the column at which He was scourged; 5, of the cloth with which St. Jerome wiped his wounds; 6, some of the bones of St. Helena; 7, part of the tomb of St. Katharine; and, 8, the oil which flowed from her body. Sends them out of respect for the hospital of St. Katharine. Rome, 8 Oct. 1512. Signed.
	Lat., p. 1.
11 Oct. Galba B. III., 49. B.M.	1430. [3460.] [YOUNG and BOLEYN to HENRY VIII.]
	Have received his instructions of the 7th, and declared them to my Lady, article by article, in Latin and French—and afterwards gave her a copy translated into French by Sir Tho. Boleyn. Next day her council stated that Henry understood their articles otherwise than was intended; that she always wished to satisfy the King, and secure the welfare of the Prince, her nephew. They stated in her name that it would not be convenient, according to the King's command, as the season for war was past, that "I and Sir Thomas Boleyn" should return to England and Wingfield repair to the Emperor; and since Wingfield had gone to the Emperor "we" should also go. Defended the King's interpretation of the articles as obvious to common sense—said that Wingfield would return to Brussels after his pilgrimage—"Yea, said my Lady then, as we be informed, to Canterbury; which she thought strange, seeing that he had not taken his leave of her before his departure." She desired them to tarry, and she would write to the King to that effect.
	On the 7th, when they had received the King's letters, and came to the article where mention was made of Boleyn and the writer's return, Sir Thomas said, "I hope now we shall go home." Then said Mr. Wingfield, "And I trust to be at home as soon as any of you both, and peradventure before you, and so we proceeded reading the said letter [until] we had examined it perfectly over; and within short space after supper [we were] all together with Mr. Wyngfield, and made good cheer. After supper was [done] we fell in communication of certain articles of the said letter, among the which we brought in the clause of our coming home, and then Mr. Wyngfield [drew] a ring from his finger, and cast it at the board, affirming with an o[ath] that he would go home, whosoever said nay." Next day Wingfield came to me and Mr. Boleyn, then in my chamber, with a Papal brief that he had received for the Emperor from Cardinal of York, and begged them to deliver it, as he was going on pilgrimage, and intended to be absent "three or four days, and peradventure more, for when a man goeth out he cannot tell precisely the time of his return." They do not know where he has gone,—perhaps to his brother at Calais. He has often complained of want of money and they are destitute. Brussels, 11 Oct.
	Mutilated, pp. 4. From a letter book.
11 Oct. Dumont, IV., i., No. 74.	1431. GERMANY.
	Prolongation of the Confederation of Suabia, for ten years. Augsburg, Monday after St. Denis, 1512.
	German.
11 Oct. Ven. Transcr., 176, p. 123. R.O.	1432. DOGE AND SENATE OF VENICE to their AMBASSADOR WITH THE POPE.
	11 Oct. 1512.—Received his letters of 28 and 29 ult. reporting, among other things, the communication made to the Pope by the Spanish ambassador. The Spanish army has passed the Po and lies in the Veronese. On the 4th the Count de Cariati showed letters from his King dated Logrogno, 1 Sept., stating that the English army proposed to return, and not join his, for two reasons: (1) because the English would only attack Bayonne, which is very strong and must fall of itself when the country round, called Bearne, is taken; (2), because, the English said, there was discord within the League. Cariati said that to remove the alleged discord the Spanish army should be paid by the Pope and Venice and all three armies go together to attack the places in Italy held by the French; and, in any case, that peace ought to be made with the Emperor, and for this he was willing to go in post to meet Gurk at Modena. [Also that] the Signory ought to animate the King of England to prosecute the war and urge the Pope to send him the spiritual provision for the duchy of Guienne. Will write to the King of England; and the Ambassador must, with the Cardinal of York, beg the Pope to do his part.
	Italian. Modern extracts. See Venetian Calendar, II, No, 198.
12 Oct. Adv. MS., 363.	1433. [JAMES IV.] to THE POPE.
	In behalf of John Lynne, clerk, of St. Andrew's dioc., elected by the prior and convent of the Augustinian monastery of Jedburgh, Glasgow dioc., on the death of their [abbot] Henry. Edinburgh, 12 Oct.
	Lat., p. 1. With note: Ad cardinalem (fn. 4) in eadem forma.
12 Oct. Galba B. III., 50b. B.M.	1434. [3463.] [YOUNG and BOLEYN to HENRY VIII.]
	Wrote last on the 11th, and on that day received his letters, dated Eltham, 4th, with his answer to the demand of 50,000 crowns asked by the Emperor for entertaining the Swiss against the French in Burgundy. Suppose that the clause in the King's letter, commanding them to allow Spinelly to use the King's posts for his letters at all times, has arisen from some suggestion of opposition on their part, which is untrue. The oftener he writes, the more contented they are. Received a letter on the 11th from Sir Robert Wingfield, which they enclose, stating the place of his pilgrimage. My Lady approves of the King's command that Sir Robert should immediately resort to the Emperor. The writer and Boleyn only delay their return till they receive the Emperor's answer to their articles. Brussels, 12 Oct.
	Mutilated, pp. 2. From a letter book.
14 Oct. S.P. Hen. VIII., 229, f. 90. R.O.	1435. EXPEDITION AGAINST GUIENNE.
	Receipt by John Hews, for Mr. Forstall, captain under my lord Marquis, from Sir Harry Willyby, master of the King's ordnance, 14 Oct., of a chest of bows and certain arrows, strings, bills and gun-powder. Signed.
	Small paper, p. 1. Endd. with note that certain of the bows and arrows are received again.
14 Oct. Galba B. III., 51. B.M.	1436. [3469.] [YOUNG and BOLEYN to HENRY VIII.]
	Wrote last on the 12th. Visited my Lady on the 13th, after she had heard mass, and explained the King's determination as to their demand of 50,000 crowns to entertain the Swiss. After communing apart, she beckoned them; and the President said, that though the King had advanced a large sum of money for the defence against Geldres, the equivalent and twice as much more was employed "that way"; 2ndly, that as the Emperor's territory is very large it is impossible for him to prevent his subjects altogether from serving the French King; that he had prevented 1,000 Swiss from so doing, and he had ordered all his subjects not to fight against Englishmen if they met in battle, "which answer was so colorably made, that a man might savour the color of it all the chamber"; many of his subjects serve the Gueldrois against his nephew; that their intercourse with France is only for the weal of the Prince; that without the Emperor has money, immediately upon the conclusion of the treaty, he could make no war; that the Prince shall be comprised in the treaty, but not compelled to take the offensive. On the writers saying that the King would not go forward except all the other conditions were observed, "then spake my Lady ... a qualm of a little melancholy about her stomach, as by her cou[ntenance] outwardly and her words it appeared, sayeing if ye be dispos[ed to] delay it we shall defer it as well as you" and peradventure get 200,000 instead of 100,000; for Englishmen had so long abstained from war they lack experience from disuse, "and, as it reported, they be now almost weary of it. To whom then answered Sir Thomas Boleyn, saying that they are but now in the beginning of war, trusting that within 3 years coming she should understand that their deeds sh[ould] shew them neither to be weary, neither to lack any experience." Seeing her so much moved and knowing that she had sent a post to the Emperor, upon whose determination all depends, they departed; at which time she delivered them a bill of certain merchants whose causes she recommended. Brussels, 14 Oct.
	Mutilated, pp. 3. From a letter book.
14 Oct. Le Glay, Corresp. de Max. et de Marg., II., 47. Lettres de Louis XII., IV., 5.	1437. MARGARET OF SAVOY to MAXIMILIAN.
	Describes, at length, her dealing with the English ambassadors upon the three principal points, viz.—(1) the exclusion of her nephew and his countries from the war, to which the ambassadors will not agree; (2) the money, in which their conclusion is that their master will lend the 100,000 cr. on condition that the league first proposed is made between the Pope, Emperor, Aragon, England and Charles, that the Emperor makes open war on the French and that the Pope and Aragon each deliver him as much; and (3) the 8,000 foot required for Charles's defence if attacked by France, which they call unreasonable. The ambassadors said that this was their master's final resolution and as the League could not be made without notifying the Pope and King of Aragon, and winter was beginning, two of them, viz., the Vice-chancellor and Sieur de Boulan, were to return and Messire Robert Wingfield go to the Emperor until their master had answer from the Pope and Aragon.
	Wingfield, however, hearing this answer and knowing his master's affairs better, without the knowledge of his companions has gone in haste to the King and she hopes that will do some good. To the others, who wished to take leave, she said they should at least wait to learn the Emperor's resolution and she would write to the King for their discharge, which she has done. Will try to detain them until the Emperor's coming which ought to be hastened. Knowing the King of Aragon's love for the Emperor and that he has a worthy man as ambassador in England, empowered for his entry into this league, she has despatched a Castilian valet de chambre to the said ambassador with information of what has passed with the English ambassadors, so that he may persuade the King and Council of England.
	The States of Brabant are here assembled and to-day give their answer to her demand. Sends copy of the letter which the King of Aragon wrote her, which he will approve. Brussels, 14 Oct.
	Postscript.—The ambassadors of England have had answer from their master upon the communications at Berghes, notified to the Emperor by Maître Loys, and upon the Emperor's message, by the same, given to them at Antwerp, touching his desire for 100,000 cr. in order to make the Swiss march with a number of horse and artillery. Their account of it is that their master will ally himself with the Pope, Emperor, Aragon and Monseigneur, this country ceasing trade and breaking peace with France; and he will disburse no part of the 100,000 cr. until assured that the Pope and Aragon will enter the League and each pay the Emperor 100,000 cr. and that the Emperor has actual war against the French. And because of winter, and to hear from the Pope and Aragon, he defers concluding the League and has ordered Winckvelt to return and reside with the Emperor and the two other ambassadors to return to England. Winckvelt has returned to England at the desire of the other two whom she has persuaded to await the Emperor's resolution. Among other remonstrances the ambassadors complained of the great number of German foot in French service. She answered that the limits of the Empire were so great that the Emperor could not prevent this, which was against his wishes. If those foot could be induced to return home or to betray the French, it would be well both for the Emperor's friends and for himself and his successors.
	French.
15 [Oct. (fn. 5) ]. Vitell. B. XVIII., 30. B.M.	1438. [3526.] JOHN and PETER DE HOOGES.
	Grant by the Emperor Maximilian, constituting the brothers John and Peter de Hooges nobles of the Holy Roman Empire, in consideration of their services to King Philip, son of the Emperor, and to the Emperor, in the present Venetian war. "Datum in civitate nostra im[periali Vesaliæ de ?] Colonia die quintadecima mensis [Octobris]" 1512, a^o r. Rom. 27, Hungar. 23.
	Lat., notarial copy, much Mutilated, pp. 7.