Henry VIII: September 1542, 11-15

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September 1542, 11-15

11 Sept. 768. Gloucester.
See Grants In September, No. 20.
11 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 31.
769. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Westm., 11 Sept. Present : Chancellor, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Cheyney, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler, Riche, Dacres, Baker. No business recorded.
11 Sept.
Kaulek, 461. (The whole text.)
770. Marillac to Francis I.
Since his last, of the 2nd., things here remain in the same state as regards the marvellous preparation for war, but as regards execution, there seems some change, or else the designs are more plain; for, whereas it was presumed that the English were on the point of making a descent into France, under the lords of whom Marillac wrote, (fn. 1) that is so cooled as to be doubtful for this year, but in respect of Scotland things are so heated, upon further knowledge of the skirmish on St. Bartholomew's Day, when 4,000 English were routed, of whom 700 or 800 were killed, more than 2,000 taken prisoners, and the rest pursued for a long time, at which the English are so indignant that, without any longer dissembling their malice, they are resolved to invade Scotland by sea and land. By sea with the King's ships heretofore equipped, and other private ships, which they have retained, which they lade and despatch with artillery, arms and munitions in incredible quantity, thinking thereby to harass the enemy and take away his hope of succour from allies. By land with two camps, which they estimate will be 100,000 men, the English holding this maxim that to hurt Francis in the future they must either overthrow or greatly enfeeble the Scots, in order that, while occupied elsewhere, the Scots should not be able to harass them; and they think this season very propitious when their enemy has had no notice nor leisure to prepare, and Francis is far away and occupied otherwise. Norfolk has departed, accompanied, besides his kinsmen, by the earls of Derby, Rotellain, and Combelan, and all the great lords of the North. The lord Privy Seal, who was said to be preparing to go to Calais, and the Grand Esquire, Mr. Bron, who was thought to be going to Francis, with the most notable men of this Court, yesterday quietly took the road for the North, to be of counsel with Norfolk., There remain with this King only his Chancellor, Admiral, the bps. of his Council, Hoincester and Canterbury, and Mr. Chaisne, who daily prepares to go to Guynes, and lead thither, if need be, the troop which he mustered in Caint; which, with others enrolled about here who are reserved for the aid of their lands beyond the sea, may amount to 15,000 or 20,000 men without those already there, who may be 7,000 or 8,000, including the pioneers who are at the work of Guynes and fortifications of Calais.
It is true that on the 18th inst. there is to be a meeting at York of some lords of Scotland and of this country, to see if differences can be composed by mutual reparation for excesses on the Borders; and upon this pretext those who have gone from this Court gave out that they go thither only to be at the meeting, to see if things can be reduced to a good appointment; but, by the preparations they have made secretly, it is plain enough that they go more with the intention of displaying their ensigns in war than of telling their opinions in a friendly council. The ambassador of Scotland left yesterday to be with those who shall come thither on his master's part, who are the bp. of Orquenay and the lord of Isnay (?); (fn. 2) and the ambassador, by the way he spoke to Marillac at his departure, is astonished enough, for, besides having no hope that this meeting could accord matters, the great preparation he has seen, and especially of artillery and munitions, has quite frightened him. Marillac comforted him by saying, among other things, that Orleans was coming, with the great troop which he had at Lucambourt, towards these frontiers, so that the English would have cause to retain here part of the forces which they proposed to send towards the North, and that Francis would not abandon the King, his son, but rather let him know that his affairs were as much to him (Francis) as his own, and such other words, to persuade him that the English were half afraid, as Marillac presumed by the going of this lord of the Privy Seal, whom he thought to be a personage who sought only to live at peace, in conformity with the intention of the King his master, who was not so sure of his subjects as to so boldly hazard all his forces upon a single day; which might indeed be a consideration were it not that this people naturally hate the Scots to the death, and that Norfolk, who is chief in these affairs, holds for war and can only by it maintain his authority, for in time of peace the others encroach upon him and seek only to undo him.
Keeps Vendosme informed of events.
French. Headed : London, 11 Sept. Marked as sent by Bleze, courier of Monseigneur de Vendosme.
11 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 121. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 153.
771. Norfolk to the Council.
Wrote of late to them to send 1,000 tun of beer to Berwick, and also wrote to Sir Geo. Lawson to know what he could furnish. His answer (enclosed) shows that he can do nothing towards furnishing so great an army for 8 days going towards Edinburgh. It were pity the enterprise should fail for lack of that one thing. These parts cannot help for lack of foystes. Leaves this in two or three hours, and so cannot help them here, but at York will do his best. Hull and York should be written to to brew as much as they can (1,500 tuns above that from London would not be too much), and send it from Hull to Berwick. Prays God the King's captains in the North Seas do their devoir, for of likelihood the Scots from Danske came forth of Elsonore this day, the wind being favourable. Keninghall, 11 Sept. (fn. 3) Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Sealed. Endd.
11 Sept.
Royal MS., 18 B. VI., 145b. B. M.
772. James V. to Henry VIII.
Following our other letters "past laitlie of before," we send our cousin John lord Erskin, instructed with our mind, to be declared to you, for the entertaining of love betwixt us and peace betwixt our realms and lieges "according to oure leige." Edinburgh, 11 Sept. 29 James V.
Copy, p. 1.
Sept. 11.
R. O.
773. Mary Of Hungary to Chapuys.
By your letters of the 2nd and 5th inst., and that of Phalaix, we understand your proceedings with the King and Council upon Phalaix's charge; and, seeing that the King defers his answer so long, we do not for this year expect great help from that side. To give it in men the season is now too far advanced; and we have men enough, and have sent 24,000 foot and 3,000 horse, with artillery and munitions towards Luxemburg, hoping soon to recover all that the French have occupied there, besides which we have sent 12,000 foot into Haynault to join the 1,000 horse lying there, and resist any enterprises against Haynault and Artois, for the Sieur de Vendosme is at St. Quentin, assembling men to be joined by certain Clevois, who return from Luxemburg. You shall, therefore, still see whether you cannot, without too much importunity, obtain some assistance of money, if you do not feel that profit may be made thereby. The Duke of Orleans is retired from Luxemburg towards Verdun, an Imperial city, leaving garrisons in the towns Yvoix and Luxemburg. The town of Arlon has been as easily retaken by our men as it was taken by the French. The Clevois, who went to the French service, have mutinied, part of them withdrawing towards Cleves, part remaining with Orleans, and part coming to Vendosme as aforesaid. Sends a discourse showing all the French enterprises against these countries this year; also an extract from a letter from Venice declaring the French practices there.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 2. Original headed : 11 Sept. 1542.
12 Sept. 774. Canterbury.
See Grants In September, No. 23.
12 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 31.
775. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Westm., 12 Sept. Present : Chancellor, Hertford, Wingfield, Sadler. Business :Wm. Bowyer, alderman, who, for his contention with (blank) Mareotti, was bound to daily attendance on the Council, was required to settle with Mareotti before Monday next, or else resume his attendance, and licensed to be absent meanwhile.
12 Sept.
Harl. MS. 6,989 f. 90. B. M.
776. The Privy Council to Norfolk.
The bearer, Mr. Darcy, can declare at length what is done here touching the ordnance. Have received his of the 10th and 11th, and will do what they can in the matter of victuals, but fear they shall not get one ton more than they have already provided. "The instructions be determined, the very point whereof is that unless the Scots will put in pledges you shall go forward on your journey." Will despatch them to him with diligence with further answer to his letters, being now ready to wait upon the King towards Havering. Westm., 12 Sept. Signed by Audeley, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Cheyne, Wriothesley, Sadler, John Bakere and Robert Dacres.
P. 1. Endd. in modern hand, "cxliij. the Council to the Duke."
12 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 123. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 154.
777. Norfolk to his Servants, John Covert and Harry Hussey.
Has just received the King's command to defer setting forward his soldiers for eight days. Instead of Sunday before Michaelmas, as appointed, they shall meet him at Newcastle on Sunday, 1 Oct., delivering no wages nor conduct money till then. Cressingham, Sir Chr. Jennyes house, 12 Sept. . . . . a.m. Signed.
P. 1. Slightly mutilated. Add. : at Horsham, in Sussex. Endd.
13 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 130. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 158.
778. Instructions for the Commissioners sent to YORK.
The King, at the suit of the king of Scots, offering to send ambassadors to conclude the controversy between them, has appointed the ambassadors to be at York on the 18th inst., and the "said duke, earl and others before mentioned" commissioners to meet them there. They shall not consume more than 11 days, from the said 18th day, in communications, unless they see a probability that a day or two more would bring them to a conclusion; but either conclude the peace or proceed upon their journey. If the ambassadors are not come to York, they shall tarry there four days, and then go forward and meet them at Newcastle or elsewhere.
They shall remind the ambassadors how kind the King has been to their master from his tender years, who, in return, has maintained his rebels and encroached upon his lands; and, when the King would have condescended to a meeting with him, there have ensued raids, slaughters, burnings, which the King could not have so long endured but for his nephew's years and inexperience, and which must now have speedy reformation. They shall then earnestly advise the ambassadors, seeing that in spite of all this the King hearkens to their suit for peace, to conform to the reasonable conditions they will demand, viz. :
1. To deliver all Englishmen now prisoners in Scotland, freely, with horse and gear as taken, or (if they will not frankly condescend thereto) upon ransom. If they can induce them to grant the first, they shall advise them to send home out of hand to have it done, as the best means to mollify the King. If the Scots refuse to deliver them, for ransom or otherwise, unless they may conclude in the rest, the Commissioners shall dilate upon the extremity of that demand, and, if they can induce them to no conformity, break off as though they would commune no further; noting well the words and fashion of the Scots, "that they may the rather smell which way they walk and what is to be hoped of them." Afterwards they shall enter again with them to see what may be done in the rest, and, if the Scots will agree to ransom, agree to anything reasonable to accelerate their deliverance. 2. Where they have put a difference between kirkmen and others, in interpreting the last treaty of peace, they must now bind themselves to take the treaty as it stands, and deliver rebels, now or hereafter in Scotland, whether kirkmen or others. 3. To suffer the English to enjoy certain ground which the Scots have encroached upon and claim, unless they can declare a better title than was shown at the last meeting of commissioners upon the Borders. 4. To conclude that neither of them shall aid the other's enemies; and that, in case of invasion, they shall give mutual aid ad expensas requirentis. This amity to be preferred before any other to the contrary. 5. To give pledges for a year or 18 months, for the sure performance of what is agreed upon.
The commissioners shall "assay the Scots in most gentle sort" upon the first article, and if they will not agree to reason but would pass it over or join conditions with it, persuade them to the second article and then the third. And in this matter of the lands, if the Scots produce evidence they shall consider it, taking occasion to remember, as of themselves, what overtures have passed for an interview between the King and the King of Scots, and hinting that an interview, so it were shortly, would sooner finish all these matters than many assemblies of ambassadors. If the Scots hearken to this, and would agree to time and place at the King's appointment, and therewith grant the delivery of the prisoners with horse and gear, the commissioners shall leave the piquant matter of rebels, &c., and commune how to bring it to pass, putting great doubt that hostages would be necessary, for three reasons, viz., 1. That France and other realms have done the like. 2. That sundry promises of meetings, passed when lord Wm. Howard was ambassador in Scotland, and when Master Ballenden was last here, took no effect. 3. That the King could not dissolve the great preparations he has made unless he received pledges that all things should be established. If the Scots agree to pledges and that some of the ambassadors shall demore here till the pledges are delivered, the King's preparations shall be stayed and diminished. If the Scots will neither agree to the meeting, nor to the articles of the rebels and the lands, nor to put in pledges for performance of covenants, the commissioners shall break off communication and proceed in their enterprise. If, from the beginning of the conference, they perceive no likelihood of agreement, they shall still gently entertain the ambassadors and secretly augment the garrisons on the Borders, lest the Scots, perceiving what were toward, would enter to give the first buffet.
In the matter of the meeting, if the Scots would have it desired by the King, it may be answered that it is not convenient for one prince to desire another into his realm, lest if any chance should happen the world should judge worse of it than necessary, and also that it were vain to desire him to come, since he answered by his ambassadors, the bishops who were lately here, that he could not do so without another man's consent; and yet the King will not deny that he is as desirous to have him come as his nephew is to come. If the ambassadors desire to refer home upon some things, and their messenger do not return before the 11 days expire, the commissioners shall gently require them to draw to Newcastle or some other place on the Borders, and there, if the messenger return in time and they come roundly to the conditions, make a quiet and friendly end with them, or else say that they have shown how desirous the King was to have things friendly determined, but since they can grow to no reasonable point with them, they will "essay whether they can by force constrain them to justice." And so dismiss them in good fashion and, in God's name, haste forward the enterprise.
At least 6,000 men must remain on the Borders to relieve the army if any chance happen to it in Scotland, and to devastate the country behind it; and with this object the duke of Suffolk is appointed to repair to Newcastle or Alnwick as lord Warden, with whom Norfolk and his colleagues shall consult for laying of garrisons, &c., and preventing any man stealing back from the army with booty. Norfolk shall give credence to Southampton and Sir Ant. Browne in such things as they shall declare. As Rutland is appointed to have the honour of leading the rearward of the army, he cannot keep his office of wardenry, and therefore Suffolk is appointed. Norfolk shall inform Rutland of this. If the Scots begin to talk of Border matters, of attemptates and redress, the commissioners shall answer that those are matters of small moment and will follow well enough when things of more weight are determined. If they allege that this break rose on the English side, they must be reminded of their breach of league in keeping the King's lands and traitors, their raid upon the Fenwykes and the burning of Beaucastle when the King was at York, raid into Cokedal of 4 July, as Sir Thos. Wharton has certified, "which was the first rode and beginning of evil rule on the Borders after the departure of the Commissioners," taking two prisoners on the 7th July at Tordeworthe on the Heske buying salmon, "behaviour of lord Maxwell when the commission[ers] were departed," &c.
Draft with additions in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 44. Headed : "Instructions, &c." Endd. : "* * * Norff., earl of Southampton, the bishop of Duresme, and Sir Anthony Browne, despatched at Havering xiijo September ao r. H. VIII.vi xxxiiijo.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 154. B. M. 2. Summary of the chief points of the preceding.
Pp. 5, mostly in Wriothesley's hand. Endd. : Notes of things to be put in the instructions.
13 Sept.
Harl. MS. 6,989 f. 91. B. M.
779. The Privy Council to Norfolk.
This bearer will deliver Norfolk his commission and instructions for treating with the ambassadors of Scotland. He shall also deliver certain advertisements sent from George Douglas and the lord Dumlaneryk, which the King wishes Norfolk and his colleagues to consider as showing what preparation of ships is made in Scotland, and how the King of Scots has put things in a readiness against invasion. As it appears the King of Scots puts "a shote ancre" in his navy if his men should have the worst, the King asks whether Norfolk thinks his army by sea sufficient, a note of which is enclosed. Where my lord of Rutland has written that Lord Latimer is arrived at the Borders with 200 men, and that the 1,000 men levied by the President in Yorkshire are also come; Norfolk shall take order that the President be repaid the money disbursed for their setting forward, and cause 2,000l. to be immediately sent to John Uvedal for the pay of the garrison on the Borders; for it appears there is some lack of money, which, considering the scarcity of victuals, is not expedient.
Have just received his letters written from Mr. Jenney's house, approving the sending of Suffolk to the Borders and the delay of the time of his entry eight days. But where he has countermanded his company for the said eight days and instructed his ministers at Horsham for the like purpose, the King thinks that though those of Yorkshire should be stayed to save expense, those whose passage depends upon the wind should rather be a fortnight too soon than a day too late. Norfolk shall therefore send back commands to those at Horsham to start as soon as the wind serves. My lord Privy Seal and Mr. Browne do the like for their bands.
As to the beer to be brewed at Alborowe, are ignorant what store of cask is there and require Norfolk to "alleviate" them of that burden by sending some prest of money to his servant Stone and others, with order to prepare and send so much beer to Berwick by such a day. Will here do their best to get the proportion appointed hasted forward.
Send a letter from the Earl of Huntley to the ambassador of Scotland here resident. Ask him to deliver it. Havering (where the King and my lord Prince be merry), 13 Sept. Signed by Audeley, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Cheyne, Wynfeld, Wriothesley and Ryche.
Pp. 3. Add. Endd. Headed in modern hand : cxliv.
13 Sept.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 61.]
780. Chapuys to the Queen Of Hungary.
Fallaix, the esquire, received her letter on the 5th inst., with the despatch for Spain. Next day he and Chapuys were in Court, both to take his leave and to hear this King's resolution on Fallaix's charge. Did not solicit an answer sooner for reasons contained in his last, and also because they daily expected to have it from the Council, according to promisea promise apparently made to gain time while they waited for news from Spain. The King's answer was that he had already declared why he could not accede to the aid in the form asked, and that, as he had intimated to us by his Council, if we had power to treat for the recompense of that which we demanded, or if we requested it by virtue of the treaty of Cambray, it would be another thing, and he would make a suitable answer. Reminded him that heretofore he had excused himself from sending succour against the Turk, because it was too far and the necessity not great since Germany was assisting, but chiefly because he thought this year to make war against people who were almost Turks; and since he said the season was too far advanced for that, he might very easily give the said assistance required, and, thereby, besides serving God and obliging your Majesties, he would profit his subjects, who, because the traffic of Antwerp was spoilt by this war, were here saying that it was made as much against them as against Flanders. Chapuys also said that he thought if the Queen was helped with a good sum of money, she could gain over the Landgrave of Hesse, which would be the greatest blow to Francis. Added that one of the things which had most discouraged the Flemings was the disappointment of the hopes raised by Chapuys's going over that the alliance with the Emperor was concluded. The King said it would be a very good thing to gain the Landgrave, and as to his own subjects, although they could not trade in Antwerp, they would have other outlets for their wares; that, as to the first point touched by Chapuys, the enterprise against France, and the second, the aid defensive, he had done his duty, and if the Emperor had listened to the bp. of Winchester, or if, afterwards, you would have condescended to reasonable conditions when I went into Flanders, affairs might have passed otherwise. And he enlarged so much on this that I had to justify your Majesties, and hint that you had accorded all his demands, although some of the conditions were a little unequal, and that afterwards his commissioners made exorbitant demands, which you could not accord.
After some further talk the King charged Fallaix to convey his affectionate commendations to the Emperor, and to say he wondered at having no answer from him; that the times required other diligence, and if he wished to order his affairs he must himself pass into Flanders.
After we had left the King, and he had spoken with Secretary Wriothesley, the Council declared to us that although the King had present need of his forces, he would not fail to observe anything he had treated, and if we required aid under the treaty of Cambray, he was ready to furnish it. When we answered that our request was not on that ground, they prayed us to attest that in writing for their satisfaction (pour les hoster de tous scrupules), which we avoided doing, as not necessary, and renewed our representations upon Fallaix's charge. They promised to speak with the King and send his answer next day; but there is none yet, although I have sent to solicit it, and yesterday I met the King going to see the Prince, but he never mentioned it, and talked only of news from Flanders and Germany. Is sure that till they receive news from Spain he will have no answer. The King fears that the news will not be such as he desires, and is not without doubt that his Holiness may achieve some peace or truce between the Emperor and France, and is sorry he took so short a term for not treating to each other's prejudice, and has prayed Chapuys to write for its prorogation. His offer to fulfil the treaty of Cambray is to give the Emperor no occasion to be dissatisfied and treat with others.
Fallaix left yesterday for Bristol to pass the more surely with the fleet that goes from thence. The day before arrived here a lord of Ireland, called the Great Onel, reputed the most powerful lord there, but very slenderly accompanied, to render homage. The King lately dismissed a gentleman of his chamber for being too familiar with the French ambassador and taking him to banquet in a park which the gentleman held of the King. For like familiarity, and for some words, the equerry (ligueres) (fn. 4) Granade was dismissed, but afterwards the King, at the intercession of some, gave him another post.
The great preparation made against the Scots and the number of men marching thitherwards is beyond belief; but the Scotch ambassador is said to be sure of the appointment being concluded at this assembly of York, since the English wish for peace and the King, his master, desires nothing more. London, 13 Sept. 1542.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 5.
13 Sept.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 60.]
781. Chapuys to the Queen Of Hungary.
Has been instantly requested on the part of the King and of several lords having the command of men in this enterprise against the Scots to obtain her permission to Godfrey van Halisson to bring from thence 3,000 spear heads (hastez de trois mille picquez) such as are used in Scotland, and 300 or 400 harness for footmen. London, 13 Sept, 1542.
French. Modern transcript, from the Vienna Archives, p. 1.
13 Sept.
R. O.
782. Wallop to the Council.
Received on the 12th theirs dated Westm., the 10th inst., and perceives the King's desire to know what is become of the Clevoiez. Has sent both into France and Flanders, but can get no certain knowledge. Some say they lie on the French borders adjoining Luxemburg, sparkled in villages, and living upon the country, "yet they have their wages paid, being right well suffered." Yesterday learnt that 6,000 of them should come to lie about Amyaz, the Frenchmen doubting that, if the King have peace with the king of Scots, the army that now repairs Scotland wards should all come hither, which army is made the stronger the rather to constrain the said King, who "had already sent an ambassador unto [the King's Highness for the] practising thereof, they fearing here very much that it will take effect." Yesterday Mons. de Beez mustered 500 footmen to reinforce Boulogne; and at Monstrell shall be as many, and likewise at Turwan. To Arde come shortly 300 footmen, and the band of Mons. de Crequey, whereof part came yesternight; so that there shall be there nigh 100 men of arms and 900 footmen.
Of the Grand Master of Flanders, hears nothing but that "he goeth forth to do an enterprise." Wrote to him a week past but has no answer yet.
Reminds them that of late he wrote of one Ant. Hutcheinson, whom he keeps prisoner for "insitting" words. Desires to know, by their next letters, what to do with him. Prays the Blessed Trinity to send my lord of Norfolk and all the noblemen with him "prosperously to proceed in this his notable journey and to return victoriously." Guisnes, 13 Sept. Signed.
P.S.Has just received (and encloses) the Great Master's answer to his letter enquiring what was become of the Clevoiez and Mons. Dorleance, and whether the Dolphin had any such overthrow before Perpignan as was bruited.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
13 Sept.
R. O.
783. Bonner to the Bishop Of Westminster.
Sent answer to his letters from Tudela, 18 Aug., and Victoria, 23 Aug., by a messenger to Bilbao, together with the copy of the deunciation of war between the Emperor and the French king, and other news. Sends again copies of all these and of their proceedings when he, Westminster, was here. Thought best not to send them through France, things standing as they do. Where he requires information touching the nuncio gone of late towards Portugal, had already made enquiries and found, with difficulty, that, as the (fn. 5) Emperor here in Spain gives benefices and has his gifts confirmed by the Bishop of Rome, the King of Portugal, to do the like, gave a good promotion there vacant and sent to his ambassador at Rome to get it confirmed; but the Bishop, who had already given it to another, refused. Also the Bishop received a bishop who fled out of Portugal, Michael de Silva, who was sometime chancellor bishop and in great favour there, and made him a cardinal. The King of Portugal being annoyed, revoked his ambassador, and the bishop of Rome has sent this nuncio to pacify the King; and albeit in great fear to go thither, and having small comfort of the Emperor, who is himself dissatisfied with the Bishop, the nuncio is gone and is by this time in Valladolid. There has been no nuncio in Portugal for three years, and the King is grieved at the enormities and exactions there used by the Bishop's authority. "I trust that pretensed and usurped power shall as well decay there as it is utterly extinguished in England." This nuncio's name is Lippunano, a Venetian and bp. of Bergamo.
Begs to be recommended to the King and Council and all his friends, especially of the Privy Chamber, and namely Mr. Henage, Mr. Chambre, Mr. Buttes and Mr. Denye. Scribbled in haste at Barbastro, 13 Sept. Signed.
P.S.The rumored taking of two galleys wherein were the marquis of Terranova and the prince of Salerne with Adam Centurion was false; for they safely arrived at Genua and the galleys are returned to Barcelona.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd. : ao xxx[iiij]o.
13 Sept.
R. O.
784. Dr. Wauchop to Card. Santa Croce.
Account of the state of religion under Fred. Count Palatine and in Bavaria. The dissolute life of the monks is largely due to the negligence of the bishops. Exhorts the elected bishops to proceed to consecration. The bp. of Pataviensis was consecrated on Sunday in Quasimdo and the bp. of Trent at Whitsuntide, which Wauchop obtained with much exhortation; and the bp. of Eichstadt (Astatensis) shall be next Sunday. 13 Sept. (fn. 6) 1542.
Describes what money he has received and how his pension is four months in arrears.
Lat. Modern transcript from a Vatican MS., pp. 3.
14 Sept.
Dasent's A.P.C., 32.
785. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Havering, 13 Sept. Present : Chancellor, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Winchester, Cheyney, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler, Riche. No business recorded.
At Havering, 14 Sept. Present : All the above except Riche. Business :Letters written to Laur. Folbory, to discharge him from the captainship of a certain ship, and to Michael Stanhop to admit Wm. Wodhows in his place.
[*** Next entry is 16 Sept.]
14 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 158. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 161.
786. Norfolk to the Council.
Finds to-day that the men of Nottinghamshire are but 600; and my lord of Suffolk's letter shows that he should have all now in wages on the Borders besides my lord of Cumberland's 1,800 or 2,000, so that, if these be taken from Norfolk's company, together with Holderness, Hullshire and Beverley, he will lack a great part of his number. Perceives that the tarrying at home of the men about Hull is by Stanhope's means. Hull has nothing to fear from Scotland, the King's navy being in the North Seas, nor is any enterprise out of France likely this year, and as for Denmark, the season is too late; so that he may as well have the men of Hull with him. Perceived yesterday that Shropshire is left out of his commission, which always before went with Staffordshire, Derby, and Nottingham. It is too late to send for them now; but Shrewsbury much desires Sir John Talbot with him, if the Council will write to him to be at Newcastle 1 Oct. Has received their writings by Adam the messenger. The letters of George Douglas and Donlanerick report truly touching the ships. Where the King would know his advice whether the number of ships appointed is sufficient; if all named in the bill were in the Frithe, they might lie there as long as they would ere the ships of Scotland would meddle with them, and although four of them are sent Westward the rest, keeping together, shall be strong enough; for all Scotland has but one ship of 13 or 14 score, one of 10 and one of 8, the rest being small men of 5, 4, and under. Prays God that with lying too long in Humber, the first five have not missed the Danske fleet. The wind is fair both for them to waylay the Scots and for the victual ships at Lynn and the men of war last come out of the Thames, to come to Skathe Rode and Berwick. Lincoln, 14 Sept.
Having shown the above to my lord of Suffolk, he asked what light field ordnance Norfolk could forbear him. Answered none; for he had not enough to serve him and leave Berwick scarcely furnished. A dozen light pieces with bows, arrows, and bills should be sent to Lynn; for without it Suffolk's enterprise would be dangerous. I perceive by my instructions that he should have 6,000 men, but surely he cannot have any out of the countries in my commission, save of my lord of Cumberland. Leicestershire, Warwick, Rutland and Northampton should be appointed to furnish him with a good number. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
Add. MS. 32,647 f. 160. B. M. Hamilton Papers. No. 162.
787. Norfolk to the Council.
The packet received from them this day contained a letter to Sir Geo. Lawson and another to Mr. Shelley, which latter is, by negligence of a servant, conveyed into Norfolk to a servant of the earl of Surrey's of that name. If the letter was important it were well to write Mr. Shelley another; for when the first will reach him is uncertain. According to their letters, has ordered his men to come Northward with the first wind.
"The French ambassador's kinsman (fn. 7) brought the Scottish ambassador to Ware hitherwards; remitting the conjecture thereof to your wisdoms." Scrobie, 14 Sept. at night. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
R. O. St. P. IX., 157.
788. Bonner to Henry VIII.
Sends copy of letters which, festo Bartholomei, on receipt of letters from the bp. of Westminster from Victoria, he wrote to the Bishop, with the copy of the denunciation of war. Lippunano, the nuncio sent from Rome to the King of Portugal, goes to reconcile the Bishop and the King, who is offended at the Bishop's giving certain benefices, "granting bulls for money to the new converses," and favouring Michael de Silva, of late made cardinal. It is said the Emperor is ill content with the Bishop, and thinks he leans to the French part; and the Bishop's sending for the duke of Cameryne from hence is taken for an argument that he does not favour the Emperor, although he says it is to make him General Captain and Governor of the lands of the Church, his father being dangerously diseased. The Emperor knows how expedient it is (with Sicily, Naples, Milan and other things in Italy) to keep the Bishop from joining the French king; but if he once break with the Bishop he will be acerrimus hostis. The Nuncio of late had letters from Rome that the Bishop, to pacify this war, would send Card. Contarenus to the Emperor and Card. Sadoleto to the French king. The Emperor, thereupon, wrote to the Bishop not to trouble with sending any cardinal, for he was determined, as the French king has begun, to proceed against him extremely. This may be policy, but appears to be serious; for besides his vexation, he has made costly provision, and is able to withstand the fury of the French king in Navarre, Cathalonia and Aragon, and with his army, which daily assembles, put to flight the French army, albeit it is reckoned at 25,000 men.
Daily, the 4,000 Almains, who long ago embarked at Savona, are looked for at Barcelona. The Emperor will receive the nobles of Castilla at Saragosa. The French were said to have passed Perpignan, and taken Pertusa and Elna; but they were only raiding parties of light horse, who have captured Signor Luys de Cardona and Messer. Bernardo Alberto of Barcelona and his wife. The Emperor's subjects are very loving, although not in best subjection. The Conde de Anguillar, a Roman born, who had charge of four galleys, has gone over to the French king. It has been said that the Infant of Portugal will succour the Emperor with 10,000 footmen and many horse, but that will not be unless the Turk come. Considering the good provision the duke of Alva has made for Perpignan, the great army will not go thither before the end of this month, when the Frenchmen shall be weary of their lodging there. Alva came, 31 Aug., in post to Monzon, tarried two days with the Emperor and returned to Barcelona and Girona.
Here has been much speaking of the duke of Cleves and his great army in the Lower Parts, and the danger the prince of Orange was in. Describes the garrison of Perpignan, in which Don Juan Daccugna and Seignior Juan de Ceninglion are captains, and the French army there. What is most feared here is scarcity of victuals and the coming of the Turk or Barbarousse, which is unlikely now, but as the Emperor passed to Algere when no man believed it, so Barbarousse or some other corsair might adventure against him. Spain and all the Emperor's dominions would have been in great danger if the Turk's power had come this year. Sanagal, Barbarousse's deputy in Algere, has made some business about Busia, and the Emperor has sent some galleys thither. Such things must be foreseen, for in Valencie and all that coast and in the realm of Granat are an infinite number of Moors, who, although divers of them be "new converses," savour of the smoke, and are justly in suspicion. More than a fortnight ago, the Emperor appointed Don Luys de la Cerda, the Viceroy of Aragon and others to provide against robbery by the Gascons at all the passages into France; also 15 galleys of Spain and 13 of Genua brought munitions, &c., from Carthagena and Malaga to Barcelona and Palamos, for the defence of Perpignan.
Advice was given from Italy that three French galleys had passed to Constantinople, carrying three great personages as hostages, to bring the 60 Turkish galleys to Marseilles. By letters from the Venetians' bailiff of Constantinople, of 8 and 10 July, received here on the 2nd inst, the French ambassador at once obtained an order from the Turk for 60 or 80 galleys to be ready within a month to depart under Barbarossa, who reckoned then to have with the foists and galleys of Barbary, 150 sail. The Turk also despatched succour to Buda, and an order to the Begliarbey of Grecia to look to the frontiers. Rather suspects the truth of these advices.
Valiant defence of Perpignan by the Spaniards. Barbastro, 9 Sept.
P.S.Before closing this, received letters from my lord of Westminster and from the Council in cipher, and immediately rode to Monzon and spoke both with Grandevele and the Emperor. Wrote their answer and his proceedings to my lord of Westminster, being at Bilbao, desiring him to send the letters on to the King. Monzon, 14 Sept. 7 a.m. Signed.
Pp. 4, with marginal notes in pencil in Henry VIII.'s own hand. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
R. O. St. P. IX., 163.
789. Bonner to the Bishop Of Westminster.
This 13 Sept., before dinner, received his letters dated Portugalet, 9 Sept., 6 p.m., with the letters in cipher from the Council, which he had great pain to decipher, both because "the cipher was now put in experience touching letters received," and because divers "charectes" were not in Bonner's cipher. Sent word to Grandvele, at Monzon, that he had letters to declare to the Emperor, and would follow his messenger. Did so, and saw Grandvele, to whom he declared the cause of Westminster's writing and the effect of the cipher in Latin. He wondered Westminster was not gone, and was evidently grieved at the other letters. After taking the names of the towns and noting the contents, he said they had advice out of Flanders, 31 July, that all was well and good provision made. Replied that it might be so, but these letters were dated 11 Aug. Grandvele then described how Orleans, following the falsehood of his father, had treacherously won Danvilas in Luxembourg and attempted Yvois, but he trusted that the Lady Regent, whom the false Frenchmen took unawares, was by this time provided for them. And here he described Alva's successes against the French at Perpignan, how the inhabitants of Elna had killed and hurt many Frenchmen, among whom was Mons. de Claremont, kinsman to Brisac, and how 33 galleys were gone to fetch 4,000 Almains and 2,000 Spaniards out of Italy, because neither the Turk nor Barbarossa were coming, as the Frenchmen believed; and when these came they would make another reckoning with the Frenchmen, who had really done little hurt about Perpignan. He heard that the French king was coming from Montpellier to Narbone; and he hoped so, for it would increase the scarcity of victuals with the Frenchmen, whereas, holding the strait passage of Pertusa and the sea coast, their men had victuals enough. Bonner said all this provision would have been saved if. at Grandveles coming from Italy, they had allied themselves with the King; for then the Frenchmen would not have dared to bring in the Turk or come so far as they had; but in the delay they had only been abused by the Bishop of Rome. Grandvele answered that as to the Bishop, they had no cause to love or trust him, and would show ere long what they would do openly against him; they had made as great speed as they could, and he wished that Westminster and De Currier, upon their despatch, might have been incontinently in England, and since Westminster tarried the return of Bonner's messenger, he begged that there might be no delay. Grandvele added that Mons. de Currier should go through with everything, (fn. 8) and offered to get Bonner audience of the Emperor if he wished it. Replied that he might perceive that the letters from the King's Council were to be signified to the Emperor, but Bonner had told him all, knowing his affection for the King. Went to his lodging, and had scant put off his riding gear when the Emperor sent for him by Bonetus, Grandvele's secretary.
Describes the interview, in which he declared the letters from the Council and the lord Admiral. The Emperor asked if that were not Mons. Fitzwilliams. Replied no; but another lord that succeeded him; and "declared divers qualities of my said lord Admiral," whom the Emperor seemed to recollect, saying they "were both men of singular good qualities." The Emperor's sayings agreed with Grandvele's, and he wished De Currier was already in England; but he was sure the King would be satisfied, knowing "that the sea, with naughty persons in the same, is the impediment." Begged that the small points he stuck upon might be utterly abolished, and the Emperor replied, smiling, that they were not small, but he trusted that De Currier should satisfy the King.
Grandvele said that the Emperor intended to answer and disprove, in print, the French king's justification of his indiction of war, and promised Bonner a copy this night, together with the Emperor's answer, which should touch on the General Council and, although in their position they might not openly speak evil of the Pope, they would so prick him as to show that he was to blame for all. Hopes that although the Emperor will not openly break with the bishop of Rome, he will gradually come nearer to the King's desires, because of the Bishop's unkind and crafty proceedings; for his main object is to be revenged of the French king. Provoked him to utter his stomach against the Bishop, by saying that the French king would not have gone to war if the Bishop had seriously forbidden him, and mentioning his "casting bones between princes, that himself might reign," and "usurping of princes," as lately in Portugal; but the Emperor "is very close and rather content to do things than to utter them." Thinks however that he will do more than "they of Italy that use many gay promises."
Two days past arrived Mons. Marvo, (fn. 9) that was the Emperor's ambassador in France, exclaiming upon the falsehood and unkindness of the Frenchmen, who made him go out of the direct way and ride but one post in the day, to prevent his bringing the news. Dr. Nicolao de Ponte is coming ambassador from Venice. Has obtained and now sends the licence for the colts and mules. The fair at Barbastro, "which stood by mules of the mountains in France," was not good for mules by reason of the war. Perhaps Thomas Holland "may provide there;" if not Bonner will. Begs him to make speed and let Mons. de Currier do the same. Marvels that Westminster's letters make no mention of him, for he is to be cherished. Sends a packet of letters, to be delivered to the King by Mr. Secretary Wriothesley, containing in cipher all their proceedings here, which he thought to have sent through France. Begs him to let the King see this letter; also to provide there, among the English merchants, 200l., in double ducats or ryalles, for Bonner, and in England be solicitor for his diets, and that his woods about London be not so cut down as they have been. The Courtes here are prolonged, because of these matters of Perpignan, which make it convenient for the Emperor to abide where he is, albeit the pretence is that the Courtes are prolonged in order to swear and habilitate the Prince, at which there has been some sticking. Afterwards the Emperor will go to Saragosa to meet the great men of Castilla, and take order for the war, wearying the Frenchmen meanwhile. He also tarries the coming of the Almains and Spaniards to Barcelon. Grandvele says the assault at Andwarpe was by the setting on of certain traitors who have suffered. Monzon, 14 Sept. 7 a.m.
In his own hand.I beseech you speak for my diets and post money. Signed.
P.S.This ready to be closed, I went to Grandvele to know if he had aught else with this courier. He said that the Courtes should end in three or four days, the Prince be sworn and the Emperor go to Saragosa and Barcelona. "That they have written acerrimas literas ad Episcopum Romanum. That within these iiij. or v. days there shall be letters published for the defence of th'Emperor touching this war, and yet tempered ne videantur irritare crabrones, and sorry he is that none of the copies do remain here, but one sent to the Regent, another to the king of Romans, and the third unto the Prince. That, of late, communing with the Nuncio in Covos' house, they told him that if the Pope would not better do his office they would conjoin and combine themselves with his adversaries in Almayne, yea, cum Lutheranis, and have a Council." He will give the King a mule, desires you to make speed and seems well content with our doings. I beg that my letters to friends may be delivered and salutations made, especially to Mr. Hennage, Mr. Denny, Mr. Buttes and Mr. Dr. Chamber. (fn. 10)
Pp. 6. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
R. O. St. P. IX., 170.
790. Bonner to Henry VIII.
This 14 Sept., at 7 a.m., despatched a post from Monzon with letters to Henry and to the bp. of Westminster, at Bilbao, about his proceedings with Grandevell and the Emperor upon the letters in cipher from the Council. Returning to Barbastro, obtained a quire of the indiction of the General Council at Trent. The Nuncio has kept it very close. *The Emperor is ill content with this indiction, because he cannot be there at that time, and the writer thinks that what Granvelle said to-day and yesterday, of printing the Emperor's justification for this war, was prompted by it. Trusts the Emperor and the Pope (fn. 11) "shall so wrestle together that in conclusion they shall go to earnest game." (fn. 12)
Granvelle this morning said he would send a mule to Barbastro for your Highness. If she come to-night or to-morrow morning, I shall send her to Bilbao. Barbastro, 14 Sept., 4 p.m. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
R. O.
791. Bonner to the Bishop Of Westminster.
At 7 o'clock this morning I despatched a post from Monzon with letters to the King and you, declaring my proceedings with Grandvele and the Emperor "touching the letters in cipher." Trusts the messenger delivered them, together with the licence for the colts and the mules. Returning to Barbastro, a secret friend brought him a quire containing the indiction of the General Council at Trent, ad kal. Novemb.; which he sends by bearer, together with letters to the King, and also to Thomas Hollande and the English merchants at Bilbao (to forward them if Westminster is already departed). My steward at Barbastro says that among his letters from Mr. Johnson were two for you, which were delivered to your post that tarries at Monzon, without my knowledge. Barbastro, 14 Sept., occidente sole. Signed.
P.S. in his own hand.As most of my letters to the King shall go by Bilbao, help to provide that Thomas Hollande may be paid his costs in conveying them. Also if bearer make good diligence give him two crowns, besides what I have paid him "as of ordinary."
P. 1. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
14 Sept.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 62.]
792. [Idiaquez] to Chapuys.
By the letters herewith he will learn occurrents. The bp. of London came here last night from Valbestre (Barbastro) to show the Emperor letters written by his master's Council to him and his colleague wondering that they had still no news from this side. Satisfaction was given him, to the effect that it was due to the weather and difficulty of the passage, and that, besides, the Emperor has nothing to add to the papers Mons. de Courrires carries. The letters were of the 11th ult., and contained the news of Flanders, and expressed the King's displeasure at the French invasions of Luxemburg, Flanders, and Artois. The Emperor thanked the bp., and said he hoped the Germans would soon arrive in Flanders, and that the Queen will have provided for everything, and he was certain that, before 11 Aug., the Germans were on the march. True we have not heard from the Queen since the 17th, nor from anyone of the side of Flanders since 31 July; which causes anxiety, but that we are sure the enemies will be repulsed on the arrival of the Germans. The armies of Francis on the side of Pamplona and Narbonne are about to join. They had need to do so, as you will see by what "le secretaire nostre (fn. 13) " writes to you.
The bp. has several times said to the Emperor that the Pope was not doing his duty towards him; which the Emperor avoided discussing, by saying that his respect to the Holy Father was on account of his office, and that perhaps he would do better than was thought. Has since spoken to the bp. on that point, and [assured him] of the Emperor's consistency (perseverance de l'intention), and thinks he is satisfied, for he takes innumerable oaths that he desires the Emperor's prosperity like that of his own master, and glories in being the enemy of the French. Chapuys will ascertain whether he is sincere. Mousson (Monon), 14 Sept. 1542.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 3.
15 Sept. 793. Bishopric Of Oxford.
Foundation. See Grants In September, Nos. 3, 25, 26.
15 Sept.
Add. 11,042 f. 93. B. M.
794. Francis Earl Of Shrewsbury to John Scudamore.
Was commanded this day by the Duke of Norfolk, the King's lieutenant Northwards, to levy as many able men as he could of his dependents against the Scots, to be at Newcastle 1 Oct. next. Desires him to prepare all the able men within his lordships in which Scudamore is his officer, to be at Sheffield on Sunday sen'night. Sheffield lodge, 15 Sept. Signed.
P. 1. Add.
15 Sept.
Acts of the P. of Sc., II., 385.
795. Parliament Of Scotland.
Holden at Edinburgh 15 Sept. 1542, by David, Cardinal, abp. of St. Andrew's, Gawen abp. of Glasgow, chancellor, and ten other commissioners (named). Case of the widow and children of Robt. Lesly deferred. Prorogued to 3 Feb. next.
15 Sept.
R. O.
796. Bonner to Henry VIII.
Yesterday wrote, to Bilbao, to my lord of Westminster, to whom he had despatched a post from Monon in the morning, with letters to the King and the indiction of the General Council. This night coming out of the fields, a loving and secret friend brought him a copy of the Emperor's answer to the denunciation of war, of which he sent a copy to my lord of Westminster, at Bilbao. Copied the answer and sent it to Bilbao, trusting that it should arrive before Westminster's departure. Begs that his diets, which are behind, may be paid, and also his post money, above 100 mks. This is not a country to want money in, and is chargeable, as all who have been here will tell. Burbastro, 15 Sept., at midnight.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
15 Sept.
R. O.
797. Bonner to the Bishop Of Westminster.
Sent him letters yesternight at sunset (trusting to their reaching him "soon upon" the post despatched in the morning from Monon) about the indiction of the Council General. To-night, through "loving and secret friends," has obtained copy of the Emperor's answer to the denunciation, and sends it, with letters to the King. I "neither spare money nor yet favour my gross body" to learn as much "as a poor man can in this Court." Hears nothing of Grandevele's mule or the Emperor's answer to the indiction of the Council. Prays him to speak for his post money since coming to Spain, which is above 100 mks., and for his diets, which are behind; and to provide that he may want no money here, or he will lose credit. Begs to be humbly commended to the King and lords of the Council. Scribbled in great haste at Burbastro, 15 Sept., at midnight.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.


  • 1. The lord Privy Seal and lord Warden.
  • 2. Probably Erskine is the name intended. See Nos. 765, 772.
  • 3. At 8 a.m., as noted under the address.
  • 4. The word "ligueres" quoted by Gayangos from the original, and interpreted by him as "legres" agreeing with "parolles," probably should be "l'escuier,"' applying to Granade.
  • 5. This portion, to the end of the paragraph, is printed in St. P., IX., 158.
  • 6. At the head of the transcript (from an original endorsement?) is written "1542. Ratispona. Il dottor Vanchop di Xus (sic) d'ottobre."
  • 7. Jean de Formes.
  • 8. Pencil note by Henry VIII., "The saying of M. Gr."
  • 9. This name Marvo is read Marno in St. P.
  • 10. Misread Chandler in St. P.
  • 11. Misprinted "people" in St. P.
  • 12. The passage between the asterisks has been noted in pencil by Henry VIII.
  • 13. In the margin of the transcript is the word "Jois" as the facsimile of the word here. Perhaps "nostre Jois" should be read "Maistre Jois."