East Indies
September 1624, 13-20

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'East Indies: September 1624, 13-20', Calendar of State Papers Colonial, East Indies, China and Japan, Volume 4: 1622-1624 (1878), pp. 401-410. URL: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=69785 Date accessed: 24 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Sep 1624, 13-20

Sept. 13.
Havering.
601. Sec. Conway to Lord President Mandeville. Sends names of the committees appointed to take examination of the business of Amboyna and the King's directions therein. [Domestic, Jac. I., Conway's Letter Book, p. 152, Cal., p. 339.]
Sept. 15.602. [Carleton] to Sec. Conway. Received his letters of the 2nd on the 12th inst. The directors of the East India Company have picked subject of quarrel out of his proposition to the States General (see inclosure, No. 597. I.), and four of their principal persons, Count Gulenberg, Herr Van Nortwick, Mons. Aerssen and Joachimi, were deputed to expostulate with him thereon. Account of what took place. Told them he was sorry to see them busy themselves about formality of words, when there was question on which depended the continuation or rupture of an alliance, and that that which they termed threatening they might more favourably interpret a necessary remonstrance. M. Aerssen laboured to disburden the States of all blame, and desired that the Company's actions might not be imputed to them, for upon further information his Majesty should have what he had required—reparation and justification. After much altercation, not without some heat, Carleton told them that the publication of the placard against the pamphlet was hitherto suspended in Zealand, and that a translate had been published at Middleburg, a copy of which he put into Joachimi's hands as deputy for that province. With which they all parted, somewhat ashamed of this gross affront to their sovereignty. Told them it could be none but the work of young Boreel, advocate of the Company, his brother secretary to the States of Zealand, and their father chief of the East Indian Chamber at Middleburg. Referred also to the protests of the English President at Jacatra, and enlarged on the point of Pooloroon. They all said they were altogether ignorant of the proceedings at Pooloroon. Carleton let them further understand, not as a menace but a premonition, that because the King had let pass four of their East Indian ships, they must presume no longer on his forbearance, for the council of war he had established for the assistance of the Dutch should also look to the preservation of his own subjects, which would incur charge and reimbursement before any reconcilement could be made: and therefore he wished to prevent mischief by a round resolution. So with fair promises on their part they parted. Beseeches him to "hold the like hand," in what has since passed, as he has to his former labours, for finds how much he needs it, not only for the rebuke he has had here, but likewise for some cross interpretation he finds is made at home of his proceedings by the English Company, who as little consider as these men that he is his Majesty's servant, and not theirs. Incloses,
602. I. Carleton to the Prince of Orange. Sees by a despatch just received from England, to his very great regret, that his Majesty is still little satisfied with the provisional declaration of the States, and though urgently solicited by his subjects to make stay of Dutch ships from the East Indies which have arrived in safety, it is to be feared his Majesty will be driven to other resolutions such as the resentment of the nation assembled in Parliament shall require, which sees the honour of the King and Kingdom violated unless they send hence more subject for contentment. Has little hope of this, seeing the States are more busy in finding fault with the words of his proposition than in ordaining what is fit in an affair of such great consequence. Beseeches him very humbly and most fervently to prevent the ills that must arise through delay by his prudence and authority, for there is no more time to lose. Hague, 1624, Sept. 14/24. French. [Together, eight pages. Holland Corresp.]
Sept. 16.
Hague.
603. Carleton to Sec. Conway. Some of the Amsterdam Bewinthebbers have taken all the papers concerning the (Amboyna) business to the States now assembled at Middleburg, with charge to answer all matters. This Carleton knows will take up some days, and thinks the States, who cease not to complain, are in no less pain than himself [at this delay]. If it please his Majesty to attend the event, either they must have more matter by these last ships than yet appears (which Carleton believes they have not, for if they had they would not be so long in divulging it), or else they will be constrained to give satisfaction. This by way of postscript to his letter of yesterday. [Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Sept. 16.
Amsterdam.
604. Barlow to Carleton. An Englishman, who has been five years in the service of the Dutch Company in the Moluccas at Banda and Jacatra, has related to him the base usage of our men in all places, and as to the business of Amboyna he says, that the wiser sort of the Dutch at Jacatra "do wish it were to do," confessing that the Dutch at Amboyna were too forward, and that the English ought to have been sent to Jacatra, when not a man of them would have lost his life. Lawrence Marcharke (Mareschalk), one of the principal men at Amboyna next Governor Speult, has come home in the Wapen van Delft, so it were fit notice were taken of him. It is the opinion of many in the Indies that ours had not any intent of treason, to take the castle of Amboyna being a thing no way possible. Boreel is returned. Payment of the 23,906 ryals again put off, under pretence of 1,100 ryals due to them. Has sent to London a large packet of letters for our Company, which came by these ships. The Company here did their uttermost best to put off the determination of the States, in hope they might have with these ships something that would help them, but does not conceive they have. The English books were printed at Flushing, and some English helped in it. [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Sept. 17/27.
The Hague.
605. [Carleton] to John Winge. Knows he cannot but have heard of the barbarous and bloody execution of 10 of our countrymen at Amboyna, which, whilst the States were inquiring into, some willing to make matters worse between the two Companies, set out a pamphlet in Dutch to justify. This the States have suppressed by placard as a libel; but finds it has been translated into English and printed at Flushing in Zealand, in which some of our countrymen helped. Prays him to inquire who they were and who set them to work, for by it they may haply find who set the Governor of Amboyna on work. If further he can learn anything upon the whole matter, now the 17 Bewinthebbers are near him in Council at Middleburg, Carleton will be glad to be advertised. [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Sept. 17/27.606. [Carleton] to Sir Peter Courteen. Sends certain papers concerning the proceedings at Amboyna, the first news of which came in June last by the Hare. Comments on the different reports that were then current. The matter is so foul and so hotly complained of to the King by his subjects that the States have demanded a reason of that violent proceeding from the Bewinthebbers, who have hitherto suspended their absolute answer in expectation of the ships which are now about a fortnight since arrived. The danger of so much procrastination; for in England they are entering into a course of taking that satisfaction which from hence is so long in giving, and when once in that way, God knows when and where it will stop. To think that time will adimere œgritudinem in this case is a vanity, for neglect aggravates the offence. Now the 17 are with him at Middleburgh, he will do well to have an eye on their proceedings; for unless satisfaction be speedily given, it will undoubtedly be taken, and one Company, if not both, go to ruin. Would be glad to receive the truth of what is brought by these last ships—not a disguised truth or a feigned tale, as before, but such as may be relied on—so he may govern himself without reproach in the accommodation of this cross, unlucky accident. [Four pages, Holland Corresp.]
Sept. 18.607. Court Minutes of the East India Company. Two hogsheads of low-priced tobacco to be bought for the Swallow, which may be sold to the mariners at 8s. per lb. and not above. Mr. Governor reported that the day before himself and committees had attended the King at Whitehall. The first thing questioned by the King was the business of his partnership with the Company, when the Company's "reasons" were delivered to his Majesty, and also the Company's petition, whereupon his Majesty declared his dislike of the answer of the Dutch, saying that they were "malum necessarium:" but he would not leave off till he were righted in this business; and amongst other things, his Majesty utterly dislikes the Company's intimation to leave the trade, adding that he was told that whatsoever he should do for the Company to support their trade, yet their absolute resolution was to desert the trade: whereto answer was given, that if this business of the Dutch might be righted and the Company countenanced at home, they would pursue the trade royally, otherwise they must of necessity leave it. The King then promised forthwith to grant a commission to examine the business of Amboyna, and that those named by the Company should be inserted in the commission; for the printing of the book, he liked it well, if it contained no bitterness against the States, but refers it to the Commissioners to resolve as they shall think good. After they had thus attended the King, they presented a book also to the Prince, who took it in good part. This report being ended, Messrs. Bell and Munnes were entreated to attend Mr. Secretary, either this evening or in the morning, about the commission. The Palsgrave to be repaired at an estimated charge of 1,300l. or 1,400l. Request of Mr. Banggam's to have his chests delivered to him, but it was ordered first to view them and then report what goods are in them. He was then demanded the reason of relinquishing the Red Sea trade, whereto he answered that the goods carried there last year would scarce yield money, the reason he conceives to be the troubles in Turkey, and that caravans cannot travel; also that the William and Blessing took a junk of Choul, wherein some Turks of Mocha and their goods were made prize of. Ordered that advice be given to Surat, "that our people commit not outrages in the Red Sea." Banggam's request for his wages referred. Consideration of the necessity of keeping the six men "in a readiness" who came from Amboyna, because there will be use of them before the Commissioners, and in the meantime of an allowance to be given to those that have not wherewith to support their charge. And first, George Sherrock, an honest, diligent young man, who petitioned for employment; he is to be entertained purser's mate of the London at 30s. a month, for which he humbly thanked the Court. Next, Edward Collins; he is to be again employed in the counting-house at 10s. a week. [John] Beamonte, the next called in, said he was ready to attend the Company when called, and desiring payment of 40l. due to him out of Edward Grant's wages, a warrant was ordered accordingly. John Powle, "another of the Amboyna men," requested employment as a factor; said he lived at the Half Moon, in Bishopsgate Street, that he lost near 2,000 ryals by the Dutch, which he had raised by living frugally nine or ten years in those parts, and had given to him divers gifts and legacies; his request to be considered. Ephraim Ramsey said he lived at Charing Cross, that Lord Holderness intended to present him to the King, and that he was able to give the King a relation of "the business;" ordered that Mr. Styles present him to Lord Holderness, as desired. And lastly, Wm. Webber (sic), who declared he had been an assistant at Amboyna, and had lost all he had by the Dutch; that he desired employment again, and lives at his brother's, at the sign of the Globe; he was willed to present himself a month hence. All the above six men who came from Amboyna will be ready to attend the Commissioners when required. On petition of the men of the Rose, ordered that they be paid wages for half the time of their captivity with the Dutch. Offer of Mr. Strowde for 28,000 pieces of calicoes. Upon view of certificate brought by Thos. Joyce of the cutting off of his right hand at Ormuz, the Court bestowed upon him 20 nobles; his request for employment to be considered. [Five pages and a half. Court Minute Book, VII., 115–120.]
Sept. 18.
[Theobalds.]
608. Sec. Conway to Lord President Mandeville. It is the King's pleasure that the two Chief Justices and the Judge of the Admiralty, who are joined in committee with the Council on the Amboyna business, have free voices, and that their opinion on any disputed point of law be set down punctually and submitted to the King's great wisdom and justice. [Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXII., Cal. p. 341.]
Sept. 18.609. Morris Abbott, Governor, Edward Allen, Christopher Eyre, and Wm. Garway to Carleton. Perceive by his letter of the 10th that he has a true sense of the wrongs they suffer, and out of a noble desire to set all things right, he has undergone much labour, for which they may not omit to return their humble thanks. What he recommends as a secret shall not go past themselves, but all pieces formerly sent came to their sight from Sec. Conway by his Majesty's command. Send a late protest come out of the Indies and the answer, together with some extracts out of their last letters, concerning which they purpose to attend his Majesty forthwith. For the present business his Majesty has appointed a commission, and therefore, albeit Carleton's propositions are full of honour and reason, yet being entered into a course directed by his Majesty, they are bound to attend the issue thereof, except his propositions now come do alter that course. Understand that in the three ships arrived from Jacatra are come divers of the judges upon the execution at Amboyna, whom they hope by his means will be laid hold of. [One page. Holland Corresp.]
1624 ?610. "Brief extracts of divers wrongs which the English East India Company have lately sustained by the Dutch in the East Indies, against which the English there have made protest and sent home the copies thereof, wherein the particulars are at large expressed." They are distinguished under separate heads:—Being condemned by the. Dutch to pay a large amount upon the unjust complaint of certain Chinamen; extortionate charges in the Moluccas, Amboyna, and Banda; preventing the English from paying any part of the soldiers' wages in victuals and cloths; assumption of regal authority and subjecting the English to all manner of fines, confiscations, bodily punishments, and hellish torments, and to death itself, as the Dutch have lately inflicted upon 10 of the King's subjects; opposing free trading to Bantam, although the King of Bantam and other Princes offer the English commerce; fraudulent abuse in diverting the English fleets of defence to further the Dutch in their own particular conquests; refusing to deliver up the island of Poloroon, where they have lately put to death all the inhabitants under pretext of treason; threats to oppose the English when they should fortify for their defence and security in the East Indies. [One page. East Indies, Vol. III., No. 42.]
[The protests herein referred to are dated 12th and 20th December 1623, and were received in London 29th May 1624. See ante Nos. 364, 377.]
1624?611. "A note of the names of those that were at the Council of Amboyna, when the ten Englishmen, nine Japanese, and one Portugal Marena were beheaded," viz., Harman Van Speult, governor, Isaac de Browne, fiscal or judge, Mareskalke, chief merchant, and Crayvanger and Taylor, under merchants of the Castle; Peter Jonson Van Zent, chief merchant of Loho: Raneer alias Cozen, chief merchant of Larica; Carsbon, merchant of the Rotterdam; Windcopp, merchant of the Amsterdam; Cloacke, merchant of the Flyboat; Fisker, merchant of the Unicorn; Captain Vogle, a land captain; and Captain Newport, skipper of the Amsterdam. Endorsed, "The names of the Amboyna judges." [Half a page. East Indies, Vol. III., No. 43.]
1624?612. "Note of the judges of Amboyna." Herman van Speult was formerly employed in Spain, "whence he came, if report be true, full of the pox." Laurence de Mareschalk was an upper merchant in some of the factories in the Moluccas; Leonard Cloke, merchant, hath been long in the Indies; Marten Janson Vogel, now captain, was formerly employed as their "tolke," and has long been there; John Jooster Coopman, married, has long been there; Jacob Copper, mariner, long employed to carry goods there; Pieter Van Santen, under Coopman in one of the small factories; Clement Kerseboom, under merchant, a man of small understanding; Herman Crayvanger, under merchant, "a young fellow that would not be ruled by his friends;" Rowland Taylor, an assistant and young fellow; Jan van Nieuport, under Coopman; Isack de Bruyn, fiscal and doctor in law of Zealand; Vincent Cortehalfe, secretary, of no learning, wholly at the devotion of the Governor; "and for all the rest no other but as servants to him and at his absolute command." Endorsed as above by Carleton, and referred to in Barlow's letter of 26 Nov. See No. 691. [One page. East Indies, Vol. III., No. 44.]
1624?613. "The names of all such as sat in council about the cruel murders of our merchants at Amboyna, taken from the mouth of George Furbush, a Scottish man of their own Company." Harman Van Speult died in the Red Sea in the sight of this man; Isaac de Brune, fiscal, said to be drowned in [the sic] Middelburg, but some report him to be in the Netherlands; Vincent Corthalls, the secretary, was here and went away from hence, but in what ship he knows not; Casbone and Clock, merchants, are dead; Marescalk, Wincoop, Jean van Leo, Peter van Zanton, Creyvanger, Fiscaer, Jean Yoost, Teller [? Taylor]; Capt. Vogell, and Skippers Newport and Cooper have gone home; and Reniere was a very youth at that time, and was none of the Council. Written after 1624. Endorsed, "A note of their names that sate in Council upon the bloody business in Amboyna." [Three quarters of a page. East Indies, Vol. III., No. 45.]
Sept. 18.614. Morris Abbott to Carleton. By his letter of the 10th, as by all others, the Company may well see how much they are obliged to him for his incessant and. important following of this unhappy fact; and if from a generality he happen sometimes to hear that some small exception is taken against some particular, Abbott hopes he will rather impute it to the diversities of opinion than otherwise, himself ever acknowledging how much he is bound to Carleton for his freedom to them. Their committees following the Court found the King very much unsatisfied in anything received from the States, and a commission thereupon awarded to divers lords and others to take some course for the remedy thereof, which will go forward if the pieces now come do not divert it. Has not yet seen these pieces, but the offers in Carleton's letter are so reasonable and noble, as they do much content the Company; "and surely the course you have now propounded (as some of us have often conferred among ourselves) is the true course, that Commissioners may meet and settle the businesses past and the time to come, whereto we can give no full answer until it have resolution from his Majesty." He will perceive by the pieces sent in what danger their estates and the lives of their people stand in the Indies, wherein the Dutch would never dare to presume so far had they not some order from hence; and for them to print that libel in English, when the States had called it in in Dutch, doth argue much insolence, [? Boreel] the father (as all men say here) having a hand in the latter and the son in the former, which how to leave unanswered the Company know not, without reproach to the nation. Sent him by his last the full answer to that pamphlet, and shall have next week a map of those places designed. Endorsed, "Recd the 27th." [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Sept. [18].615. (Carleton) to Morris Abbott. Was somewhat troubled with the Company's letter of the 28th ultimo, as they might find by his answer, and should be much more so with Abbott's letter of the 4th pres., but that Carleton knows what Abbott writes proceeds out of his zeal in the business and love to himself, which Abbott cannot show, better than in using such freedom, and though sorry to be mistaken in his doings, and misjudged in his affections, will not grow sullen, but proceed to the best of his understanding in those ways which may prevent a rupture, and so it may be with honour, utility, and safety reconcile the two Companies. If ours impute this to coldness, can only wish them better advised; for he is as warm in the cause as at first, or as the hottest of them can be, but an inconsiderate heat is of small use in such affairs. Replies to his exceptions of certain points put into the States hands: our men relating after one manner and theirs after another, the States cannot but be allowed time and means of better information. What the ships bring from the Indies Carleton knows not, and the States know as little, for this day they have written letters of reprehension to the Bewinthebbers at Middelburg, that since their arrival a fortnight has slipped over without advertising them anything. Understands that letters are sent to the Company; will be glad to make use of any further light they have by them, as having opened the States eyes, they desire now to look into the depth of this matter. The strong faction betwixt the Bewinthebbers and the Participants; all the former, except those of Amsterdam and Middelburg, shrink up their shoulders and wash their hands in innocency, excusing themselves upon a triumvirate, Bas, Boreel, and Poppen, who, with Boreel the advocate, have long had the direction of all their affairs. The advocate Boreel, pleading with the Prince of Orange and the States, to suspend any resolution until further advice from the Indies. Meeting him casually, "he related the business as coldly and familiarly as if it had been no greater matter than the cutting of a purse." Hopes Abbott will be satisfied by Carleton's last proposition to the States, that he is not cold in it, and relates how the States have expostulated the matter very roundly with him, which during his long residence in these provinces has never happened before. They condemn him of heat and precipitation; he condemns them of coldness and procrastination; meanwhile it is no small discomfort to have blame on both sides. Replies to his letter concerning the building of forts. "The Prince of Orange hath ever been of this mind, that you must have forts and places apart, and distinct sovereignties conjoined in an association, according to the manner of these provinces, or else you will never have peace betwixt you." Next, touching the public faith, which Abbott scoffs at, as worse than a publican's, the promise of the Company is one thing, and of the States another, which, if it be broken, his Majesty has right of reprisal against the whole State. And this is as firm an assurance as the hostages, which was so strange a matter to be proposed, that it seemed as an objection to ill-wishers to stop things more reasonable. If there come no good of all the pains he has taken, no hurt can come, for being this day asked by some of the States what he thought would give contentment, he answered that he was now to seek, for the ships being arrived they must now not provisionally but absolutely resolve. In conclusion, advises the Company not to stand in their own light; if, without association, they think to fortify and settle near the Hollanders, as at Poolroon and such places, by right, the Dutch cannot hinder them, but jus est in armis, as it hath ever been, both amongst Christians and heathens in those parts. Prays Abbott to mistake him not, and entertain no jealousies, as if he had any correspondence with the Mayors, for since the treaty of 1622 he has not seen any one of them within his doors, nor so much as spoken with any but Boreel, whom he met casually. [Five pages. Holland Corresp.].
Sept. 20–25.616. Court Minutes of the East India Company. Committee to attend at Whitehall concerning the business of the, entry of each of the Company's ships in one cocket. Another committee to attend Sir Henry Marten concerning the men that were in the Whale when she was cast away. Petition of Richard Beacham; was one of those surprized in the Rose's boat, and employed by the Bashaw of Sinan to certify the captivity of the men and for their enlargement; prays to have his wages: ordered accordingly. Consideration of Nich. Banggam's services (see also his petition, No. 607). Ordered that George Ball's account, now with the auditors, be presented at Court next week. Report of Mr. Governor that the business between the Company and Lady Dale rests still undecided before the Commissioners of the Navy by special reference from his Majesty, and therefore was by the Upper House of Parliament left to them; it was thought fit that some declaration by way of protest be made by the Company that it sticks not at them, and if nothing be done it is merely the fault of Lady Dale. The tobacco to be sent in the Swallow to be of Virginia or "Barmouthas" [Bermudas]. Requests of Sir Francis Crane and Lord Brooke that, in respect they have extraordinary use of silk for their tapestry they may take out their seventh and eighth capitals in silk; it was answered that the Court can give out no dividends but such as have been directed by a General Court. Offer of certain merchants in Roanne to deal for the Company's silk. The Black lately entertained to be shipped in the Swallow. Suit of Richard Welden for an end of his business. Report of Mr. Munnes that he and Mr. Bell had attended Sec. Conway concerning the commission for Amboyna and other business of the Company, and at first found but rough entertainment and hard admittance, that "Mr. Sec. did expostulate with them some things that had been reported unto him out of the courts of committees;" wherein having received satisfaction, he protested all faithful and sincere friendship to the Company, and showed them a letter he had written to Sir Noel [de] Caron, "wherein he doth sharply expostulate and require a round proceeding and satisfaction by way of hostages, till the offenders themselves may be laid hold of." He then demanded what they held fit now to be done, and whether his Majesty's letter effectually written to Sir Noel [de] Caron would not procure speedy justice, to which was answered that since his Majesty's pleasure is not to proceed upon those depositions and evidences that are pregnant of the Company's part, but to appoint a commission, it would please his Majesty in the meantime, for the better settling of all things in the Indies and for preventing of further mischiefs there, to procure from the States and the Prince of Orange effectual letters to the Dutch President, &c. at Jacatra, requiring them to permit the English to retire with their stock and goods from thence, and without interruption to fortify where the Dutch have no real possession whereupon to ground a pretence of sovereignty. A letter to this purpose, conceived by Mr. Munnes, was hereupon considered, about which there grew some question whether they that will not be bound by a solemn treaty confirmed by his Majesty will not less regard a letter, "but it was remembered that the exception had been that the warrant for the execution of the treaty came not so fully signed as is now propounded," and therefore agreed to procure this letter so as if possible it may be sent by this next pinnace (the Swallow). Then arose a discussion on a letter read from Sec. Conway with his Majesty's directions to certain commis sioners to examine "the business of Amboyna." The Court was sorry the commission was not under the broad seal, and that the Chief Justices and Judge of the Admiralty were not commissioners, but to assist only when called; and it was complained that ill offices had been done to the Company by reporting "the passages among the committees at their meetings," and also by reporting to his Majesty "that whatsoever his pleasure shall be to order in this business, yet the Company resolveth to abandon the trade," whereas the contrary hath been declared to be the Company's resolution, if his Majesty will afford them his royal protection and secure their trade they will proceed cheerfully. In conclusion it was resolved to move his Majesty for his letter to the States as aforesaid; also that it be desired that the two Chief Justices and the Judge of the Admiralty be joined to the said commissioners, five to be a quorum, and that the commissioners begin, first, with "the bloody fact of Amboyna," secondly, the business of the Moluccas, thirdly the shutting up of Bantam, and fourthly, the seizure upon the Company's warehouses, moneys, and goods at Jacatra; also that two civil lawyers and one common lawyer be entertained to open and defend the several businesses before the commissioners. Offer of Burlamachi to buy the Company's silk at 25s. 6d.; the Court consent to sell at 26s.