House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 12 December 1643

DIE Martis, videlicet, 12 Decembris.

PRAYERS.

Lords present this Day:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers sent Yesterday to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they agree with their Lordships in the Alterations concerning the Ordinance concerning Plymouth. (Here enter it.) And also they agree in the Ordinance touching sending the Hertfordshire Regiment to Newport Pannell. (Here enter it.)

Vincent, a Pass.

Ordered, That John Vincent, now at Oxford, shall have a Pass, to come from thence to London.

Mr. Strode's Order.

Ordered, That Mr. Strode shall be paid Fifty Pounds out of the First Monies that comes in upon the Twentieth Part, being Monies lent by him to the Parliament.

(Here enter it.)

Committee for Plymouth.

Ordered, That the Earl of Sarum is hereby added to the Committee for Plymouth, Lyme, and Poole; and any Two to meet with Four Members of the House of Commons.

Message to the H. C. about it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeld and Serjeant Fynch:

To let them know, that this House hath nominated One Lord more to the Committee concerning Plymouth, Poole, and Lyme; and desire that they would nominate a proportionable Number of their House, to join with the Committee of Lords, and that (fn. 1) any Two Lords and Four Commoners may meet.

French Ambassador's Servant, a Pass.

It was moved, "That the French Ambassador desires to have a Pass, from this House, for a Servant of his to go to Oxford; and he hath passed his Word that no Letters shall be sent but his own Packet, which he will seal up, and subscribe with his own Hand;" and this House Ordered the same accordingly.

Order for 2000l. for Windsor.

Next, the Order for paying Two Thousand (fn. 2) Pounds for the Relief of the Garrison of Windsor was read, with the Amendments; and being approved of, it was Ordered to be sent down to the House of Commons, to desire their Concurrence in the said Alterations.

( (fn. 3) Here enter it.)

Mr. Bolles to be Clerk of the Crown.

Ordered, That, in regard the Clerk of the Crown is not here to attend this House, and because there is a Necessity for putting the Great Seal into speedy Execution, this House nominates John Bolles to be Clerk of the Crown; and that the House of Commons be desired to concur herein.

Message to the H. C. to concur in it;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfeild and Mr. Serjeant Fynch:

To let them know, that, in regard the Clerk of the Crown is absent, and because of the great Necessity of putting the Great Seal into speedy Execution, their Lordships have nominated John Bolles to be Clerk of the Crown; and to desire their Concurrence herein.

and with the Order about Windsor.

2. To desire their Concurrence in the Alterations in the Order for paying Two Thousand Pounds to the Garrison of (fn. 4) Windsor.

Motion for no Members of either House to hold any Place of Profit, except such as are necessary for the Safety of the Kingdom.

It was moved, "That this House would declare it as the Opinion of this House, That no Members of either Houses of Parliament might be admitted, or execute any Places of Profit:"

And the Earls of Northumb.
Kente,
Pembrooke,
Sarum,
Warwicke,
The L. Viscount Say & Seale, and
The L. Wharton,

Or any Three of them, are appointed to draw up an Order, and word it to this Sense.

The said Committees withdrew presently into the Prince's Lodgings, to consider of it.

And being returned;

The Earl of Northumberland reported the Draught of the said Order; which was read; and, after Debate, this Question following was put,

"Whether this Paper now read shall be entered as the Opinion and Resolution of this House?"

And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

"Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Opinion and Resolution of this House is, from henceforth, not to admit the Members of either House of Parliament into any Place or Office, excepting such Places of great Trust as are to be executed by Persons of Eminency and known Integrity, and are necessary for the Government and Safety of the Kingdom."

Next, it was put to the Question,

"Whether this shall be drawn up into an Ordinance or no?"

And it was Resolved in the Negative.

The Messengers return this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer from the H. C.

That they concur in the enlarging the Committee for Plymouth, Poole, and Lyme; and accordingly they have enlarged their Committee.

2. They agree to the Alterations in the Order concerning Windsor. (Here enter it.)

3. They agree to the nominating of John Bolles, to be made Clerk of the Crown.

Message from thence, for the Committee of Safety to sit every Afternoon;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Knightley, &c.

To acquaint their Lordships, that they have made an Order in their House, that the Committee for the Safety shall sit at Three of the Clock every Afternoon, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

Agreed to.

and with Orders, &c.

2. To desire their Lordships Concurrence, in adding Mr. Tate to be of the Committee for the Safety, in Mr. Pym's Place.

Agreed to.

3. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order for making Sir Walter Erle Lieutenant of the Ordinance.

Respited.

4. To desire their Lordships Concurrence concerning the appointing a Committee to put the Ordinances of Parliament into Execution in the Isle of Wight.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That concerning the Order concerning Sir Walter Erle, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own; to all the rest of the Particulars of this Message, this House agrees to them.

Order for 50l. to Mr. Strode, lent by him on the Propositions.

"Whereas William Strode Esquire, One of the Members of the House of Commons, did, upon the 30th of June, 1642, lend to the State, upon the Propositions, Fifty Pounds, to be re-paid at the End of Six Months; the which Fifty Pounds was received by the Treasurers upon the Propositions, as appears by an Acquittance under the Hands of the said Treasurers of the 30th of June: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Fifty Pounds be forthwith re-paid unto the said William Strode, by the said Treasurers, out of the First Monies that shall come in upon the Fifth and Twentieth Part, notwithstanding any other Order or Ordinance to the contrary."

Committee appointed to put the Ordinances in Execution in the Isle of Wight.

"Whereas Five Hundred Men are now raising, by Authority of Parliament, to be sent into the Isle of Weight, for Security of the said Place; and whereas Two Hundred Men were there formerly raised by the same Authority; and whereas several Fortifications are now making in the said Island, by Ordinance of Parliament: Be it now Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, for the disposing, ordering, paying, and billeting of the said Soldiers, and of their several and respective Captains and Officers, and for the Purposes aforesaid, That Colonel Thomas Carne, William Bowreman, and Thomas Bowreman, Esquires, shall be a Standing Committee in the said Island; and the said Standing Committee, or any Two of them, shall have Power and Authority, and are hereby required, to put all Ordinances of Parliament in Execution in the said Island, as any other Committee nominated in the said Island ought or might have done; and shall have Power to expel out of the said Island, or commit as they shall think fit, all such Persons as shall refuse the National Covenant agreed on by the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, upon the Tender of the same by the said Committee, or any of them: And be it further Ordained, by the Authority aforesaid, That Thomas Wavell and John Hall of Swanton, Gentlemen, Treasurers and Receivers nominated and hereby appointed in the said Island, for such Monies as are or shall be there raised by Authority of Parliament, and all other Treasurers, Receivers, and Collectors, in the said Island, nominated by the Authority aforesaid, may issue forth, and are hereby required so to do, all such Sums of Money as they shall receive as Treasurers, Receivers, or as Collectors aforesaid, by the Warrant and Order of the said Standing Committee, or any Two of them, for the Purposes aforesaid, and not upon the Warrant or Order of any other Person or Persons whatsoever: And be it likewise Ordained, That the said Committee, or any Two of them, shall have Power and Authority to use all Ways and Means for the ordering, paying, and billeting of the said Captains, Officers, and Soldiers, and for the disposing of Monies for the Purposes aforesaid, to the best Contentment of the said Island."

Order concerning Plymouth, Poole, and Lyme.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of both Houses, appointed to take Care for the Safety of Plymouth, Poole, and Lyme Regis, shall have Power to call to their Assistance such Persons as they shall think meet to consult and advise with, touching the Safety and Security of those Places; and have Power likewise to constitute a Committee of Persons, not being Members of either House, to take Care for putting in Execution such Directions, and for doing such other Acts, in Pursuance of the Orders of both Houses of Parliament, as shall be thought most necessary and conducing unto the Safety and Preservation of those Places: And whereas, by an Ordinance of the 15th of November last, for the Defence of the Towns and Ports of Plymouth, the Isle of St. Nicholas, and the Towns of Poole and Lyme, and Places near adjacent, the Collectors therein nominated are appointed to pay the Sums collected and gathered by virtue of the said Ordinance, unto such Treasurer as shall be appointed by both Houses of Parliament, to be employed for, in, and about, the Defence of the said Towns and Island, and Places near adjacent, by Order of both Houses of Parliament, or such other Persons to whom they shall give Authority in that Behalf, the said Lords and Commons do nominate and appoint Nathan Wright, Francis Lenthall, and George Henley, of London, Merchants, to be Treasurers for receiving of the said Monies, according to the said Ordinance; and do hereby give full Power and Authority to the said Committee of Lords and Commons, or any Three of them, to grant Warrants for the issuing of all such Monies as shall be received upon the Ordinance aforesaid, as also of all other Monies, which, by Authority of both or either Houses of Parliament, are appointed to be employed for the Defence and Preservation of all or any the Towns or Places abovementioned; and all and every Treasurer, and other Party, to whose Hands any Money shall come for any the Purposes abovementioned, shall, upon such Warrant and Direction, issue the same accordingly, and not otherwise; and to the End a just and faithful Employment may be of the said Monies, and a true and perfect Accompt kept and given of the Disposition of all such Monies as shall be gathered or received for the Uses and Purposes herein mentioned, the said Committee, or any Three of them, have further Power and Authority given them, to constitute and appoint One or more Auditor or Auditors, to take and examine and audit the several Accompts of all such Persons as have been or shall be intrusted or employed in the receiving, issuing, or disposing any of the said Monies, and to make such reasonable Allowances unto Persons employed in and about the Premises as in their Judgements shall be thought fitting and necessary."

Order concerning leading the Hertfordshire Forces to Newport Pagnel.

"Whereas there is an Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament, of the Thirtieth of November One Thousand Six Hundred and Forty-three, for the leading of the Hertfordshire Regiment near Lutton, unto Newport Pannell: It is now Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of Hartfordshire do take Care for the Execution of the said Ordinance with all Speed; and that the said Committee shall have hereby further Power and Authority to send any more Forces thither with the said Regiment, as the said Committee shall judge fit and convenient, which shall be paid by the associated Counties, according to the Ordinance for settling the said Garrison; and if any appointed by the said Committee for this Service, which so much importeth the Safety of the Kingdom, and that County in particular, shall refuse to go, the said Committee shall have Power to send up any such Persons so refusing in safe Custody unto the Parliament, to answer their Contempt therein: And for the better Encouragement of those which shall be sent by the Authority of this or the former Ordinance, it is further Ordained, That the said Committee shall from Time to Time relieve those which are now sent, or any Number of them, by any other Forces of like Numbers, as the said Committee shall find expedient, until the Garrison be otherwise settled by Ordinance of Parliament, out of the associated Counties, wherein the Lords and Commons will have an especial Care that all possible Expedition shall be made."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10 ^a cras.