House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 28 April 1610

Saturni, 28o Aprilis, 1610

Several Orders.

DECREES - Copyholders:

Decrees - Edmonton :

Canons ecclesiastical:

Salters and Brewers :

Sir Henry Crispe:

Mr. Levinus: - Nat.

Sir Geo. Ramsay. - Nat.

Peter Vanlore.

B. - Good Husbandry, reported. - Ingrossetur.

Sir Francis Bacon moveth for a Time for Woods.

Tuesday Morning, by Eight a Clock, Counsel for Sea-sand.

Tenures and Wardships.

[a] Sir Edwin Sandys maketh Report of the Conference. -

Mr. Attorney delivered Two Parts from the House :

1. Answer to his Majesty's insisting in the Point of Honour.

2. Demand of his Majesty's Pleasure touching the Price offered. -

Wisdom always orderly, though neglect it: - Perfection beautiful, though not affect it -

Reply Four Parts : -

Approbation of Answer.

View of the present State of the Cause touching our Demand.

Answer to our Demand.

Conclusion. -

Now we are come near our main Ground, from which there -

Five Branches: - What Desire: What Security: What Price : What Levy : What Course for the Minors, and their Rights. -

We desired not the transplanting of the Tenure to a Manor: - We offered, for Wardships, 200,000l. by Year, above whatsoever we defalked from him by our Contract. -

Eight Propositions: -

1. His Lordship took pro concesso: - The King's just Necessity must be relieved by his People.

2. King, Governor of his Subjects, and is not absolute to depend of the Will of the People in Matter of Subsistence,

3. The King hath Prerogative by the Law of Nat. * as any King, if not restrained by Municipal Law of the Country.

4. The Scale of the Prerogative not so boundless in Matter of Charge.

5. When Princes extend their Prerogative - works not the Good, but the Greatness - they eclip their own Greatness. - If in the Time, in the Proportion, - Parliament is a fit, - may speak ; - yet not to strike in radice. - A Glass full, a philosophical. - If it extend beyond Measure, Nature itself speaks against it.

6. Advice, - depending upon Abuse. -

If we shall flatter ourselves in our private Opinion, when Cases are judged in Court: - Wished to spend no Time in it.

7. When Princes ask Taxes more - then bear they must: for we with-hold, being empty.

8. If Subjects ask; - not, Da pacem in diebus nostris; but, to descend to Posterity; then we must pay for it. -

Bills from the Lords.

Mr. D. Amye and Mr. Grimston, - from the Lords, Two Bills:

1. Mr. Essex his Bill, with Amendments.

2. Restitution of Sir John Davyes. -

Tenures and Wardships.

Sir Jo. Sammes: - Aut ubique liber, aut nusquam liber. - No Court of Orphanage.

Mr. Attorney : - Ego non Dominus, - Dominus non ego. -

Minors not left under Fortune, but under Providence. -

Excuses Delivery of that, as of himself.

Sir Maurice Berkley, and Mr. Percyvall: - That Orphanage, in Mr. Attorney's Report, should be excused.

Mr. Speaker; - The Lords take Knowlege of his Mistaking, and that it was acknowleged.